Obama's Profile in Courage, or Cave-In?

by: Ray McGovern, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed

Obama's Profile in Courage, or Cave-In?
President Obama said he will announce his decision on Afghanistan this week. (Image: Lance Page / t r u t h o u t; Adapted: jamesomalley, The U.S. Army, Eddi 07)

“It took a lot of courage on Kennedy’s part to defy the Pentagon, defy the military — and do the right thing,” said Col. Larry Wilkerson, USA (ret.), according to Robert Dreyfuss in his recent Rolling Stone article “The Generals’ Revolt.”

Wilkerson, who was chief of staff at the State Department (2002-2005) and now teaches at George Washington University, was alluding to President John F. Kennedy’s courage in 1962, when he faced down his top generals and refused to bomb Cuba and risk nuclear war.

That was as close as we came to nuclear calamity during the entire Cold War.

Despite the urgency of the threat posed by the Russian military buildup in Cuba (we now know the Russians had already placed nuclear weapons on the island), Kennedy’s deliberate decision-making style allowed enough time for cooler heads to prevail and yielded a peaceful solution.

A hallmark trait of John Kennedy was his ability to listen and learn. At the same time, he did not hesitate to challenge conventional wisdom.

Call that “dithering,” if you wish. I, for one, applaud President Barack Obama for following Kennedy’s calm, deliberative style, as Obama faces similar pressure from the military to send tens of thousands more troops to Afghanistan.

Kennedy: Out of Vietnam

The Cuban crisis was not the only time JFK found himself at loggerheads with generals who thought they knew better and who verged on the insubordinate. Kennedy’s sustained arm wrestling with his senior generals over whether to send more troops to Vietnam was just as tense, and much more sustained.

In the end, he concluded that they had it wrong and decided against them. In short, he opted to behave like a President — a “decider” (pardon the odd word). His overruling of the U.S. military brass on Vietnam had huge implications, both short- and long-term. This “real history” is highly relevant today.

The 46th anniversary of John Kennedy’s assassination passed by last Sunday virtually unnoticed. The unfortunate thing is this: his legacy on Vietnam is so widely misunderstood that it is easy to miss the relevance of his decision-making in the early Sixties to the dilemma faced by President Obama today as he decides whether to stand up to – or cave in to – the Pentagon’s plans for escalating another misbegotten war in Afghanistan.

Faux history has it that President Lyndon Baines Johnson’s infusion of hundreds of thousands, up to 536,000, combat troops into Vietnam was a straight-line continuation of a buildup started by his slain predecessor. Kennedy did raise the U.S. troop level there from about 1,000 to 16,500 “advisers” — a significant increase.

But as he studied the options, cost and likely outcomes, Kennedy came to see U.S. intervention in Vietnam as a fool’s errand. Few Americans are aware that, just before he was assassinated, Kennedy had decided to pull all troops out of Vietnam by 1965.

The Pentagon was hell bent on thwarting such plans, and Defense Secretary Robert McNamara found it an uphill struggle to enforce the President’s will on the top brass. Senior military officers were experts at “slow-rolling” politicians who favored a course that the Pentagon didn’t like.

When in May 1962 Kennedy ordered up a contingency troop-withdrawal plan, it took more than a year for the military brass to draw one up.

As the President encountered continuing resistance, he paid increasing attention to more level-headed military and civilian advisers as well as to his own intuition and instincts. Kennedy asked the Marine Commandant, Gen. David M. Shoup, “to look over the ground in Southeast Asia and counsel him.”  Shoup told the President:

“Unless we are prepared to use a million men in a major drive, we should pull out before the war expands beyond control.”

Kennedy concluded that there was no responsible course other than to press for a phased withdrawal regardless of the opposition from his senior national security advisers. He decided to pull 1,000 troops out of Vietnam by the end of 1963 and the rest by 1965.

How To Do It

My Irish grandmother called Kennedy “a clever lad” and she was right. 

Realizing that he had to exercise the utmost care in navigating choppy military and political waters, Kennedy employed the artifice of sending Defense Secretary Robert McNamara and Gen. Maxwell Taylor on a “fact-finding” trip to Saigon. At the end of the trip they would “recommend” the course the President had already chosen.

Stopping in Hawaii en route back to Washington, McNamara and Taylor were given “their” report, which had been written by John and Robert Kennedy. It was instantly named the “McNamara-Taylor report” and the two travelers presented it to the President on the morning of Oct. 2, 1963.

Wasting no time, the President convened a National Security Council meeting that evening to discuss the report.

The senior military saw through the subterfuge and strongly opposed the key recommendations of the report. In his memoir, In Retrospect, McNamara wrote that the NSC meeting saw “heated debate about our recommendation that the Defense Department announce plans to withdraw U.S. military forces by the end of 1965, starting with the withdrawal of 1,000 men by the end of the year.”

In McNamara’s words, there was “a total lack of consensus.” However, there is only one “decider” on the National Security Council — the President.  Kennedy stepped up to the plate and decided, bypassing the majority opposed.

Thirty-two years later in a Sept. 12, 1995, letter to the New York Times, McNamara took strong issue with a charge in an earlier op-ed that “the groundwork was being laid for our tragic escalation of the war” before President Kennedy was killed.

McNamara described the President’s reasoning in deciding to go ahead, despite the lack of consensus:

“[T]he President nonetheless authorized the beginning of withdrawal, believing that either our training and logistical support led to the progress claimed or, if it had not, additional training would not change the situation and, in either case, we should plan to withdraw.”

His decision made, Kennedy wasted no time in acting, well, like a President. He told McNamara to announce it immediately in order to “set it in concrete,” according to McNamara. 

As the defense secretary was leaving the NSC meeting to tell White House reporters, the President called to him, "And tell them that means all of the helicopter pilots, too,” according to Kenneth O’Donnell and David Powers in their book, Johnny, We Hardly Knew Ye.

Action Memo

The President’s policy was formalized nine days later in his National Security Action Memorandum Number 263 of Oct. 11, 1963. That document put into effect the McNamara-Taylor recommendations, which provided that:

“A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time … [and] the Defense Department should announce in the very near future presently prepared plans to withdraw 1,000 U.S. military personnel by the end of 1963.”

Whether Kennedy truly believed that the U.S. training program would succeed in helping the South Vietnamese prevail is doubtful. Clearly, he wanted out. He carried around in his conscience and from time to time spoke of the number of American troops already killed. (Eight died under Eisenhower; about 170 during Kennedy’s tenure.)

Assistant Press Secretary Malcolm Kilduff, to whom fell the task of announcing President Kennedy’s death on Nov. 22, 1963, told James Douglass, author of JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters, that Kennedy’s mind was fixed on Vietnam the day before. Instead of rehearsing for a press conference that day, Kennedy told Kilduff:

“I’ve just been given a list of the most recent casualties in Vietnam. We’re losing too damned many people over there. It’s time for us to get out. The Vietnamese are not fighting for themselves. We’re the ones who are doing the fighting.

“After I come back from Texas, that’s going to change. There is no reason for us to lose another man over there. Vietnam is not worth another American life.”

A month before, during his last visit to Hyannis Port, Kennedy told his next-door neighbor Larry Newman, “I’m going to get those guys out [of Vietnam] because we’re not going to find ourselves in a war it’s impossible to win.”

Kennedy understood that decisions on Vietnam were far too important to be left to myopic generals. They were still chafing at what they considered Kennedy’s failure in 1962 to seize the moment and obliterate Cuba — and perhaps also the U.S.S.R., while we were at it.

Add Kennedy’s clear desire to work closely (often secretly) with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev in a priority effort to prevent another Cuba-type crisis, and then letting generic “Communists” take over Vietnam – with “dominoes” expected to fall all over the place — and the military brass became convinced they needed to strongly oppose such “appeasement.”

‘Best and Brightest’

And it was not only the generals. Far from it. The “best and the brightest,” first and foremost McGeorge Bundy, Kennedy’s national security adviser, were also opposed to Kennedy’s decision to pull troops out of Vietnam. 

Bundy strongly disagreed with the recommendations in the McNamara-Taylor report. He also resisted Kennedy’s frequently expressed doubts that foreign troops, even in large numbers, could prevail in guerrilla war, and Kennedy's determination never to send combat troops to Vietnam.

Bundy thought he knew better, refusing to believe that the President would ever “let South Vietnam go.” Years later, Bundy’s memoirs defended his views and advice to Kennedy on Vietnam.

However, after McNamara published In Retrospect in 1995, in which he concluded that “we were wrong, terribly wrong” on Vietnam, Bundy went back to the drawing board to rethink his assessment.

Bundy hired a man half his age, Gordon Goldstein, as research assistant to help him on what turned out to be Bundy’s personal quest for the roots of his own mistakes which, for the most part, were the result of hubris, pure and simple.

Early this year, author William Pfaff reviewed what started out as the Bundy Memoir Part II (McGeorge Bundy died in 1996), but ended up as Lessons in Disaster: McGeorge Bundy and the Path to War in Vietnam by Goldstein.

In the review, Pfaff highlights Bundy’s pedigree: tops at Groton, professor of government at Harvard and youngest dean of faculty; his mother a Boston Brahmin, his father a diplomat. Pfaff is ruthlessly on point in describing Bundy’s attitude:

“American had to ‘win’ in Vietnam because America always wins. America knows better than everyone else because of that intellectual firepower deployed at Harvard and other elite universities. America does not have to know about other people because other people are not worth knowing.

“Goldstein’s decisive clue to why Bundy failed came by accident. He found a note written in 1996, when Bundy was asked what had been most surprising about the war. He answered, ‘the endurance of the enemy.’ Goldstein writes: ‘He didn’t understand the enemy ‘because, frankly, he didn’t think they warranted his attention.’”

The good news for today comes from press reporting that top officials of the Obama administration, including the President, have read Goldstein’s book. Applying Kennedy’s challenge on Vietnam to Obama’s on Afghanistan, a Wall Street Journal report of Oct. 7 noted, “For opponents of a major troop increase … ‘Lessons in Disaster’ encapsulates their concerns about accepting military advice unchallenged.”

Obama Must Decide

There are hints that Obama is more Chicago than Harvard — and that, like Kennedy, he carries casualty figures around in his conscience. His late-night, early-morning appearance at Dover Air Force Base to salute what the Washington Post calls “transfer cases” coming home from the war is, I believe, a telling sign.

Obama knows they are not just “transfer cases.”

This young President, too, is a “clever lad;” he is also a politician. Intellectually, he is surely equipped to understand the March of Folly that would be involved, were he to send substantial additional forces to Afghanistan.

Moreover, Obama is surely aware that the majority of Americans are no longer deceived by the pundits at Fox News. Recent polls show broader and broader popular opposition to sending more troops.

The choice, in my view, is between courage anchored in a determination to do the right thing and cowardice cloaked in the politics of the possible. Let me guess what you’re thinking — “But that’s asking too much of a young President; cowardice is too strong a word; Obama cannot possibly face down the entire military establishment.”

John Kennedy did. So the question is whether Barack Obama is “no Jack Kennedy,” or whether he will summon the courage to stand up to the misguided military brass of today. 

We are talking, after all, about thousands more being killed — and for what?

I would suggest to the President that he give another close read to Goldstein’s Lessons in Disaster and then ponder the lessons that leap out of Barbara Tuchman’s The March to Folly: From Troy to Vietnam.

Obama may also wish to ponder the words of W.E.B. Dubois:

“Now is the accepted time, not tomorrow, not some more convenient season. It is today that our best work can be done and not some future day or future year. It is today that we fit ourselves for the greater usefulness of tomorrow.”

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Ray McGovern works for Tell the Word, the publishing arm of the ecumenical Church of the Saviour in Washington, DC. He was an analyst at the CIA for 27 years, and is on the Steering Group of VIPS.


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And what would you have

And what would you have Obama do with the lesson of the price Kennedy paid for opposing the Generals?


Did the military, unhappy

Did the military, unhappy with JFK's refusal to provide air cover to the bay of pigs invaders,conspire to kill him? Is this another thought in Obama's mind?


Right on! I might add about

Right on! I might add about Afghanistan, that since Alexander the Great no foreign troops succeeded inAfghanistan, and the British didn't manage to pacify the Khyber Pass, either.


Good article-like many by

Good article-like many by this author. Folks-does it concern you that the US military has its own policy? Or that it resists political direction? What does this tell you?


Bingo. Right on the button.

Bingo. Right on the button. And although I continue to admire JFK and am thoroughly conversant with the history of the Vietnam War, I think that, intellectually, Obama is the smarter of the two. Whether he is as strong, or stronger than JFK remains to be seen -- Tuesday's speech (12.1.09) well tell. I am betting on him to make the right decision and begin implementing an exit strategy from not only Afghanistan, but Iraq as well. Maybe we could seal the border between Afghanistan and Pakistan, but it would take a huge troop commitment to do it. Get out, President Obama, don't fight them on their own turf. We lost a lot of good people for nothing already -- don't prolong the disaster.


Obama said "Finish the job",

Obama said "Finish the job", that's not exactly defying the Pentagon. I suspect he'd be attacked brutally by the corporate 4th estate if he were to be so bold. Kennedy's administration was paying people off too, measuring the lucrative value of burning South East Asia, and according to one famous argument, the only way *that* war ended was when Corporate America decided it wasn't profitable.


Perhaps Mr. Obama recalls

Perhaps Mr. Obama recalls that Mr. Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas shortly after "facing down" the military.


What is so difficult for

What is so difficult for Americans, including Army brass, to understand is life in 3rd World Villages. The options as perceived are different than those that might be imagined by outside analysts. Further, time has a different meaning. A good example is the USSR failure in Afghanistan, time was on the side of the locals who knew the terrain and could move at will. Knowing how the world works at a village level is difficult because kinship and family histories dating back for generations come into play. We, with our contemporary perspective based upon contemporary economic theories, miss the fabric thats makes village life possible for those who live there.


All the more reason to

All the more reason to believe that JFK was assassinated by the war machine. Obama had better watch his back.


"But that’s asking too

"But that’s asking too much of a young President; cowardice is too strong a word; Obama cannot possibly face down the entire military establishment. John Kennedy did." Yes, he did, and then he was killed. Doesn't that risk come into play here also?


I have a personal story that

I have a personal story that seems to fit here. In the fall of 1963, I dropped out of college for a semester to repay some school loans. First, I went to the Tulsa draft board, who said they were only drafting about eight men a month, and I could safely stay out of school for more than a year. Then Kennedy was murdered. About eight days later, a small piece appeared in the Tulsa paper announced that the draft board was now drafting about 80 men a month. I contacted them and learned that I would be drafted in January -- just over a month away. I couldn't regain my student exemption (was it "2S"? -- so enlisted in the Army on 2 January 1964. After training, then nine months in Germany, I returned for six months in Officer Candidate School -- and was sent to Vietnam from July 1966 to August 1967. I served first as The Vietnam Entertainment Officer, in the small office that arranged itineraries for all USO shows. When an OCS classmate was wounded, I finally felt guilty and ashamed enough to get a transfer to a combat unit, where I spent my final seven months as combat photographer and Press Officer with the 11th Armored Cavalry Brigade in Xuan Loc (which was, coincidentally, the site of the final battle in that foolish, tragic war). The only story that made sense, then and now, is that JFK was murdered because of (a) refusal to stay in Vietnam, (b) refusal to bomb Cuba, and (c) His -- and RFK's -- relentless and successful prosecution of the Mafia. The true story hinted at in Ray McGovern's article, could be a balm for both veterans and other citizens. It needs to be put concisely rather than in a string of long books few will read. An essay with footnotes might do it and, combined with other essays like William Broyles' 1984 Esquire essay, "Why Men Love War."


Thank you for this article.

Thank you for this article. It really clears up the whole Vietnam thing in a nutshell. Nicely done.


Kennedy defied the military.

Kennedy defied the military. Kennedy was assassinated by ... Lee Harvey Oswald had been set up for some time beforehand, and he himself said that he was just a patsie. Obama has not yet seriously defied the military. However, with all the teabagger wingnuts, and the stirring up of vicious hatred of Obama from Fox news, Rush Limbaugh and all the other extreme right wing hate and racist commentators and groups, probably a number of patsies have already been prepared. Obama needs to tread lightly in the mine field that lays before him. I fear for his safety, and yet he must defy the military who just want to escalate.


Good article, wrong

Good article, wrong conclusion. It is not a matter of courage but reality testing. Kennedy went bully and got himself killed. Obama knows that if that happen to him the country would go deeper in the ditch as it did after Kennedy assassination. Mr. Ray McGovern knows that you can not play macho with the mafia unless you are sure you can overpower it. Obama knows it!!!


The (duly elected, with a

The (duly elected, with a mandate for change, including negotiation as opposed to purely military force) President should test America's will for this war: in order to have the troops necessary in Iraq and Afghanistan, he should reinstitute the mandatory draft. This would, of course, bring the millions into the streets, either for or against what is now becoming his immoral and stupid war. God help him! President Obama inherited a mess and by escalating in Afghanistan he will only make it worse.


Ignore Gen. McKrystal,

Ignore Gen. McKrystal, President Obama should just wikipedia the Battle of AP BAC ( Vietnam, January 2, 1963) and see why President Kennedy prudently and courageously chose to get out.


A great and insightful

A great and insightful article. Great insights into Kennedy and hopefully into President Obama.


Hooray for Ray! More, please

Hooray for Ray! More, please !


Thoughtful and sobering. It

Thoughtful and sobering. It seems that any troop increase will produce more needless deaths. And yet, how does an expedited withdrawal now work. Karzi, the Taliban- even moderate ones, alQaida, the Pakistan government, the tribal leaders: among all these elements where is there any leadership to move forward? But after 8 years, we can't postpone longer pushing in other directions


I don't see this president

I don't see this president as anything more than a heel-dragger and a spelunker. During his campaign speech he said with our help, together we would make fundamental changes. So far, it's been nothing but protecting the status quo. This president had/has a very simple choice: Either he is going to protect the interests of the industrialists at the expense of Main Street, or he is going to grow a set and take care of the people against the monopolistic economic suffocation now being perpetrated against the American people. I think in the final analysis, We the People are, once again, on our own. And it won't be, until the American public loses its addiction to illusions of hope that someone else is going to do it for them and get into the trenches and fights for what was once theirs, a democratic Republic instead of a fascist police state, will anything really change in America. This president is a Free Trade/DLC/WTO/ Goldman-Sachs/industrialist animal on a collision course with freedom... and leopards don't change their spots.


I guess I won't buy

I guess I won't buy wholesale anything told me by a person who worked for the CIA for 27 years and neither am I interested in apologias for John F. Kennedy's decisions 40+ years after the fact. I would like to believe, but it's not easy after the disappointments of the last year. Barack Obama should not be sending another soldier or soldier of fortune to Afghanistan and I am hoping he will surprise us by going against the militarist grain. If he doesn't, I will be sick at heart.


Kennedy is not guilt-free

Kennedy is not guilt-free when it came to Cuba. He did not send US troops o ...but he did OK the invasion of Cuba by Cuban exiles who were funded by the US Government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_of_Pigs_Invasion The original CIA plan called for a ship-borne invasion at the old colonial city of Trinidad, Cuba, about 270 km (170mi) south-east of Havana, at the foothills of the Escambray Mountains in Sancti Spiritus province. Trinidad had good port facilities, and arguably was close to much existing counter-revolutionary activities. The CIA later proposed alternative plans, and on 11 March 1961 President Kennedy and his cabinet selected the Bay of Pigs option (also known as Operation Zapata), because it had an airfield suitable for B-26 bomber operations and it was less militarily "noisy", so potentially more plausible deniability of US direct involvement. The invasion landing area was changed to beaches bordering the Bay of Pigs in Las Villas Province, 150 km south-east of Havana, and east of the Zapata peninsula. The landings were to take place at Playa Girón (code-named Blue Beach), Playa Larga (code-named Red Beach), and Caleta Buena Inlet (code-named Green Beach).[10][11] In March 1961, the CIA helped Cuban exiles in Miami to create the Cuban Revolutionary Council (CRC), chaired by José Miró Cardona, former Prime Minister of Cuba (Jan 1959). Cardona became the de facto leader-in-waiting of the intended post-invasion Cuban government.[12] -- "The most potent weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." --Steve Biko


Read an article that is in

Read an article that is in variance of Ray McGovern's explanation of history: http://www.chomsky.info/articles/199209--.htm


Odd that the new tale of

Odd that the new tale of Jack Kennedy's plans to end the Indochina adventure could only be told decades after the most believable witnesses were gone. Odd too that JK told his "neighbor" that he was about to end the "unwinnable war" but not the advisor who all those years was said to be closest to him. Robert Kennedy was asked in 1967: "Did your brother, at the time of his death, believe the war in Vietnam was winnable?" His answer: "Yes."


Speak for yourself, if you

Speak for yourself, if you say anything regarding JFK , let alone if anything regarding him 'passds unnoticed'. Where were were you last year when the 45th anniversary of his Berlin Wall speech passed 'unnoticed"? Not by me. That, to me was more important than anything ever said inthe 20th Century, even more important than when the wall axctually came down, because JFK simplified the whole point in his entire tenure by making into an issue of freedom only, and not natianlity or power struggle, or competition with the communist world, or etc. We didn't bomb Cuba, because those who love freedom are above that.


I certainly agree with the

I certainly agree with the sentiments McGovern represents in his essay. He notes that the anniversary of Kennedy's assassination just passed "virtually unnoticed." It is certainly worth wondering if Kennedy's opposition to the generals led to decisions made in the shadowy recesses of this country's national security apparatus-the decision to kill him. Yes, we'd like for Obama to have courage when he is eyeball to eyeball with the country's generals. What we might also ask is what are we prepared to do if the generals outright refuse to obey any executive order, if they decide to eliminate him as they may have (either overtly, or with a wink and a nod to the national security shadows) eliminated Kennedy.


Wonderful piece. (Although

Wonderful piece. (Although I would've expected a retired CIA analyst to include more of the background of the CIA's involvement in Vietnam and its significant role in thwarting JFK's attempts to end the involvement.) Sometimes I wonder if Obama is propping up strawmen to purposely force his advisors to see how angry we are when he does that. If so, that takes a great deal of courage and is also a political highwire. Unfortunately, time is running out for these strawmen to bear real fruit, if that is what he is doing. Too many of us are rage exhausted (especially after the prior 8 years of horror), and too many have died to make many of us feel that this tactic is anything other than morally ambiguous at best. We hired this guy to use the bully pulpit and the Democratic leadership in Congress is obviously depending on that as well. Instead we get that downfall of every president with potential: hiring and listening to horrible advisors, and doing everything potentially worthwhile in secret (all the more to make it more likely to unravel), rather than using the bully pulpit. Secrecy is society's biggest bugbear: For the powerful, information is control, and keeping it secret increases their allusion that they have control. (Which is why I wish JFK had been successful in shutting the operations arm of the CIA as he planned to. They made sure that didn't happen, didn't they?) If I had a dollar for of all the activities this "transparency" administration does in secret (revealing bits via anonymous sourcing does not count), I'd be able to afford to get Christmas presents for my family this year.


I feel a forboding sense

I feel a forboding sense that if Mr. Obama cannot - for whatever reason - stand up to the rabid war-dogs, we are headed down a very dark road indeed. More troops would simply be more gasoline on the fire which is already out of control.


Ray McGovern has convinced

Ray McGovern has convinced me. Would an avalanch of messages to the White House requesting--demanding--US withdrawal from Afganistan and Iraq help the President find his courage?


This statement by McGovern

This statement by McGovern is quite thoughtful. It's the statement of a former intelligence agent who is very intelligent. The citation from James Douglass' JFK AND THE UNSPEAKABLE was wonderfully to the point. I dearly hope that Obama will learn something from JFK's struggles with Vietnam, and from LBJ's capitulation to the generals. One problem not directly mentioned by McGovern is that Presidents who disagree with generals get done in. Obama no doubt has this on his mind. One can ask him to follow in JFK's footsteps--but then one should also ask whether, knowing where they lead, one is willing to do so oneself. - Tomo


Obama is no Kennedy! He has

Obama is no Kennedy! He has already shown in his short time as President that he is a politician first and a President of the people last. He will send more troops to appease the military industrial complex and avoid the inevitable calls of weakness by the fools on the right. Campaign contributions trump everything.


We can surely hope that

We can surely hope that President Obama has the courage to face down the nearly insurgent military establishment whose sole raison d'etre is to fight wars. While they may cavil at that epithet, it is a truism nonetheless. And they have powerful enablers in the imperial Congress and military-industrial-corporatist contingent who depend on military "engagement" to underpin their claims to power and wealth...and subservience. The times and climate have changed since Harry Truman fired MacArthur, and JFK faced down the militarists in his administration and the nation. Fascism and militarism, unleashed by the Bush/Cheney reactions to 9/11, are somewhat in the ascendant. With the goad of the financial collapse, and the removal from direct power of the Bush/Cheney Crime Family -- at least at the "top levels" of government -- the imperialists are becoming desperate to re-exert their dominance. Not only do they seek to more vigorously pursue imperial expansion, but also to regain their crumbling control of the levers of government power, so long were these their exclusive province to exercise at will. Of course, the population at large has always been coerced to finance and man these expeditions, but there is a growing unrest in the land about that imposed obligation and its costs. Hopefully, Obama will successfully stand up to the militarist-corporatist forces arrayed against a decision to withdraw from Afghanistan and Iraq, and will not meet a fate similar to that of JFK.


Who knows the true reality

Who knows the true reality inside the Commander in Chief's Meeting Rooms except those who were there?... But, I do feel there is a true and real history of Democrats greatly fearing public tongue lashing from Conservative Republican Hawks and now, 24-7 non-stop CONservative Media and their Media Stars of National Division who all too often, seem to be running Public Policy and Public Opinion to intolerant heights with self serving,Nation-Dividing, foisted illusions and delusions while laughing all the way to the bank and barely any time for signing autographs.... Far too many Democrats have not really acted like the elected 'leaders' WE dream of and hope for AND DESPERATELY NEED since the 60's. Democrats perform more like extremely flexible and often spineless Politicians with sprayed-on smiley faces desperate for approval and re-election above all else... I now think its looking like a terrible transformation has already occurred in America. I think Corporations have almost completely Usurped Power from WE THE PEOPLE. And, the current 'Yes We Can' Obama Administration and the Super Majority Democratic Congress have continued to reduce themselves to the mere measure of just how Corporate owned and operated American Government has truly become. We can see just how small and feeble their influence is over National Debate, National Unity and any sense of National Direction VS. how much sway the few Global Corporations which now own and exploit almost all Media in America have in driving Insane Non-Debates, Fear and National Division for the simple minded sake of self interest, power, greed and viewer numbers--- all done with Corporate Sponsorship...


Everyone write the White

Everyone write the White House now !!! Here is the message "I have just three thigs to say about Afghanistan..get out now, get out now and get out now. Barack, we love you. make the right decision !!"


Sobering take on the Kennedy

Sobering take on the Kennedy assassination in some of the comments - I always thought J. Edgar done it because he hated the Kennedys. However, whatever - President Obama may be aware he's fighting for his own naked life. Maybe every US President is. Why, even wingnut Reagan almost bought it! Let's pray Obama makes it and, hopefully, shakes it. If only just a little. Pete Edler, Stockholm


I would recommend to Mr.

I would recommend to Mr. McGovern, as well as to his readers, that they take a look at the book I published on this subject nearly ten years ago, American Tragedy: Kennedy, Johnson, and the Origins of the Vietnam War. Kennedy's stance during 1963 was equivocal, and he would in any case have had to make further decisions. But what I showed beyond doubt was that during his first year in office, he was repeatedly asked by his entire senior national security team, military and civilian, to start a major war in Indochina then and there--and he repeatedly refused to do so, both in Laos and Vietnam. The book is not based on testimony decades after the fact, but on the documents written at the time. Again and again Kennedy listed the excellent reasons--including a lack of public and allied support and an obviously weak ally--why this war would be a bad idea. There's no evidence that he ever changed his mind. David Kaiser, Jamestown, Rhode Island


I find it hard to identify

I find it hard to identify with much of the hysteria that characterizes so many of those who further theories of the JFK assassination. Still, there's the Congressional Commission's report positing the "conspiracy" as a given; and no one has ever convinced me of the Oswald-as-the-lone-shooter theory. So, my question then: what to make of the party crashers of this week's headlines?


He will "cave in". Just

He will "cave in". Just check who's advising him. AfPakIraq will drag on. Then with the help of his advisors, with Israel they'll go after Iran. Wars will go on. wars are the life line of our economy. We need wars, more of them. We The People should be kidding ourselves of thinking otherwise. The same entities that bring these guys to power can take them off if their interests are not served.


Perhaps we should all,

Perhaps we should all, including our president and members of Congress, reread the Declaration of Independence, recognizing that the military-industrial complex that rules our government is in the same role that the British were when this was written: When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.


There IS no win! No matter

There IS no win! No matter how many fascist amerika slaughters, tortures and terrorises; amerika IS done as an empire ! good news ! tioche; Mexico


The only WIN is to join the

The only WIN is to join the struggle to end the dominance of our darker nature and LEARN TO LIVE IN LOVE AND PEACE..


I agree that I am glad to

I agree that I am glad to see Obama has taken a much more deliberative look at his plans in Afghanistan. He has taken longer than many are comfortable with, and some have called it "dithering" but after the "act first, think later" approach of the last president, I find it reassuring. Obama has, I think, proven himself to a realistic center-liberal. The general attitude toward Afghanistan is "all in or all out" but he seems to be paving a center of the road strategy that will involve a temporary boost in troop levels, but with a solid exit strategy in place before a single boot is put on the ground. This is similar to the strategy that worked in Iraq, but it is being tailored to suit Afghanistan, a country with its own unique situation and problems. It amuses me to see how opinions have turned. The left has become as radical as the right since Obama took office. We hear complaining that he does not completely withdraw from Iraq and Afghanistan, does not throw all the CEO's on wallstreet in jail, does not force the senate and congress to do his will, and does not throw George Bush and his team into jail. In short, he does not act like a bully-unlike our previous president all too often did. And yet people seem angry at him for it.


Vietnam is not the

Vietnam is not the appropriate example. Two wholly different strategic paradigms. Vietnam offered the empty rhetoric of the domino theory, in Afghanistan, the threat is real. It would be similar to conceding Japan the entire Pacific ocean and territories shortly after conquering Iwo Jima. Afghanistan has not had the full strength and depth of our military and diplomatic forces dedicated to the successful rebuilding of Afghanistan. Bush simply spent 600 billion more a year on Iraq than he did on Afghanistan, to say nothing of the pathetically inadequate force structure to occupy the epicenter of our national tragedy. We cannot and we shall not leave until victory is complete.


As a theory justifying

As a theory justifying Obama's apparent reluctance to withdraw from Afghanistan this article is entertaining, but Ray McGovern should be cautious about quoting a movie concerning the motives for the JFK assassination. By claiming that the President was assassinated to prevent him from pulling U.S. troops out of the war, the movie "JFK" distorted history for the sake of box office rewards. To support this motive for the assassination, Stone showed an interview with Kennedy by Walter Cronkite on Sept. 2, 1963, with the President saying, "We can help them; we can give them equipment; we can send our men out there as advisers; but they have to win it--the people of Vietnam against the communists." Stone flagrantly distorted Kennedy's words by expunging JFK's next comment to Cronkite: "But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. That would be a mistake. That would be a great mistake."


JFK wanted to abolish the

JFK wanted to abolish the Fed. Vietnam was not the reason he was killed, he wanted to abolish the Federal Reserve, this was more important than his war stance. I wish all these authors like McGovern would go into retirement and STOP WRITING ABOUT KENNEDY, REAGAN, and all the other crappy Presidents, because not one thing was learned from the past. We are going to "train the Afghan police" because that worked so well in Iraq! In other words, we need a goal of training 400,000 Afghan police tribesman, who are already loyal to many Taliban tribes, and we( American Moms & Dads) will encourage our kids to give their lives for this? This country has NO SOUL anymore, sorry. NO SOUL and NO CONSCIENCE, only apathy. We have passed the point of return to rational thinking. We are indoctrinated on so many levels, by the corrupt media, those with souls and conscience are not in enough numbers to revolt.


the American coup d'etat -

the American coup d'etat - Kennedy wasn't perfect, but he refused to bomb Cuba, Viet Nam and the Soviet Union. He stood up to the generals repeatedly, most notably during the Cuban Missile Crisis. He called for an end to the Cold War. He signed the first disarmament treaty with the Soviets (the Limited Test Ban Treaty). He had to use journalists (and the Vatican) to send messages to Khrushchev because he couldn't trust his own State Department bureaucracy. Read his speeches at American University on June 10, 1963 and even better, the speech at the United Nations on September 20, 1963, calling for world peace and disarmament. Profound material almost completely forgotten today -- and when read, the motive for the military industrial complex to remove JFK from office becomes crystal clear. Shame on The Nation, Noam Chomsky, etc. for taking the government's position on this core issue (the fantasy that a lone nut shot JFK). James Douglass was the keynote speaker at the Coalition on Political Assassinations conference in Dallas last weekend, here is a link to audio files of his presentation -- http://www.oilempire.us/jfk-unspeakeable.html


I have met and like Ray

I have met and like Ray McGovern, and generally agree with him. However, on the issue of Kennedy having decided to withdraw U.S. forces from Viet Nam by 1965, I must respectfully disagree. Being a Viet Nam veteran and having taught a course on the Viet Nam war for 30 years, I have watched Kennedy apologists build a healthy "cottage industry" regarding his supposed decision to withdraw from Viet Nam. Unless Ray has access to classified information not released to the public, there is scant evidence to support the contention. Just weeks prior to Kennedy's assassination, he authorized a coup by South Viet Namese generals to remove Diem from power, in part because of Diem's corruption, incompetence and brutality; but also because the U.S. discovered his brother Nhu was opening secret negotiations with North Viet Nam to end the war and reunify the country in a coalition government that ultimately would have mean governance by Hanoi. Kennedy was determined to prevent this and grew extremely impatient with the South Viet Namese generals who were dithering over launching the coup. By all accounts, Kennedy was deeply shaken when they assassinated Diem and Nhu. It is true, shortly before his assassination, Kennedy did make statements about the POSSIBILITY of withdrawing 1,000 of the 16,000 U.S. troops by late 1965, but nothing on a complete withdrawal. Perhaps more importantly, that withdrawal was based on the contingency certain conditions were met by that time; that is, that the U.S. had achieved its goals of defeating the National Liberation Front and placing in power a stable government firmly under the control of the U.S. Of course, none of these things would have happened by the end of 1965. Kennedy, like Johnson, would have been faced with the decision of whether to get out or escalate the war. Again, there is scant evidence Kennedy would have chosen withdrawal. Yes, the rhetoric of wanting to get out of Viet Nam was there--just as Johnson repeatedly said the same kinds of things and wistfully speculated about the POSSIBILITY of withdrawing at least some troops within some foreseeable future. But that day did not come until the U.S. over 500,000 U.S. forces in Viet Nam, and we were well on our way to 58,261 U.S. dead, some of them friends of mine. One of the remarkable things about Obama's speech is it paralleled the drivel of Kennedy and Johnson on Viet Nam as Obama explicitly denied the parallels so manifestly obvious. Kennedy gave great speeches in which he extrolled his fervent desire for peace. However, it is one thing to talk the talk and something else entirely to walk the walk. He did walk the walk with respect to Cuba, and MAY have done so with respect to Viet Nam. There simply is not much evidence to support that proposition. My apologies Ray; but on this one, I believe you are wrong.


CORRECTION: An typo slipped

CORRECTION: An typo slipped past me--withdrawing 1,000 troops by the end of 1963, NOT 1965. My apologies, I caught the error after I hit "post".


Cave-in. Clearly.

Cave-in. Clearly.


great post

Recently skimmed the post. Great work ?



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