Afghans Overwhelmingly Want US Troops Out - and Soon
Thursday 09 December 2010
by: Jean MacKenzie | GlobalPost | Report

Two young Afghan boys watch a group of armored vehicles. (Photo: MCpl Kevin Paul / lafrancevi)
Kabul, Afghanistan — First the good news: U.S. forces are still more popular in Afghanistan than Osama bin Laden. Fully 6 percent of respondents in a new poll expressed a “very favorable” opinion of American troops, versus just 2 percent for the fugitive Al Qaeda leader.
To be fair, the United States scored much higher in the more grudging “somewhat favorable” category, outstripping the world’s most wanted man by 36 percent to just 4. But more than half of all Afghans — 55 percent — want U.S. forces out of their country, and the sooner the better.
Add it all up, and it is pretty bad news for the U.S. military as it examines its options ahead of next week’s Afghanistan strategy review.
During U.S. President Barack Obama’s lightening visit to Kabul on Dec. 3, White House aides said confidently that no major adjustments were expected to the present strategy, which, in the minds and words of most military leaders, is now firmly on course.
That strategy has foreign troops in Afghanistan for at least another four years, while the focus turns to training and equipping Afghan forces to handle their own security, the much-vaunted “transition” to full Afghan sovereignty.
But the poll, commissioned by The Washington Post, ABC, the BBC and Germany’s ARD, and conducted by the perennial survey organization ACSOR (Afghan Center for Socio-Economic and Opinion Research), shows a nation yearning for an end to hostilities.
While human rights organizations and women’s advocacy groups mount a spirited campaign against any accommodation with the Taliban, 73 percent of those polled said it was time to negotiate with the insurgents. While the Taliban do not enjoy much popularity in the country — only 9 percent said they would prefer them to the current government — it seems that the appetite for conflict has waned among Afghans, who mainly just want to get on with their lives.
Those who moan about the lack of readiness among the Afghan National Security Forces might be surprised to learn that more than twice as many Afghans think the police are better able to provide security in their areas than U.S. or NATO forces. Of those polled, only 36 percent said they trusted the foreigners to protect them, while 77 percent voted for their local police.
They show a lot more optimism than Gen. David Petraeus, who told ABC news over the weekend that it was far from a sure thing that Afghan troops would be able to take over from the United States and NATO by 2014, the new target date set by the NATO summit in Lisbon last month.
“I don't know that you say confident. I think no commander ever is going to come out and say 'I'm confident that we can do this,'" Petraeus said in answer to a question about the likelihood that Afghan forces would be competent to assume the burden four years from now.
Consistency is not a particularly strong suit among Afghans, if the poll data is to be trusted. The same respondents who lauded the Afghan troops complained bitterly about corruption in the police, with 85 percent of respondents saying it was a big or moderate problem in their area.
Polls are tricky tools, especially in conflict zones. ACSOR itself freely acknowledges that there were many areas it could not go to because of security concerns. That real estate would, of course, include the south, where U.S. and NATO forces are now battling the Taliban.
Anecdotal evidence suggests that the popularity of U.S. forces would be even lower in these areas, given the higher incidence of civilian casualties from airstrikes, and the greater frequency of night raids, in which U.S. Special Forces descend on housing compounds, often with a mission to kill or capture alleged Taliban fighters.
The latter was a bitterly disputed topic last month, when Afghan President Hamid Karzai told the media that he wanted the night raids stopped, prompting Petraeus to say that such an attitude risked making his own position “untenable.”
The poll shows that Afghans are implacably against airstrikes by U.S. or NATO troops, with 73 percent saying that they opposed them even if they help to defeat the Taliban.
There is, of course, some doubt as to the validity of any public opinion surveys in a country with a largely uneducated and unsophisticated population, suspicious of strangers and unwilling to share personal information for fear of possible consequences.
But to the extent that ACSOR’s data is deemed reliable, it paints a fairly depressing picture for the international community hoping to gain public support in their struggle with a surprisingly resilient insurgency.
Fewer than half of respondents — 49 percent — support the U.S. troop surge that added 30,000 pairs of boots on the ground over the past year. The same number opposed the surge.
More troops almost always means more violence; 39 percent of respondents said that civilian casualties had increased over the past 12 months; 30 percent thought they had decreased, while 31 percent said there had been no change.
In fact, civilian casualties are up sharply, according to a United Nations report released in August. And the poll shows that Afghans primarily blame the international forces, rather than the Taliban, when innocent people are caught in the crossfire.
Of those polled, 35 percent said that U.S. and NATO troops bore responsibility, 32 percent blamed the “anti-government forces,” and an equal number assigned blame to both.
As the recent WikiLeaks revelations have shown, Karzai is not the U.S. government’s favorite international partner. He is seen as weak, unpredictable, often paranoid and incapable of effective governance, according to the leaked cables.
None of that holds sway with the Afghan people, though, 82 percent of whom judged Karzai favorably. Only 62 percent gave his government as a whole such high marks, however.
Perhaps most striking is the sense of lost opportunity revealed in the poll. While the vast majority of Afghans — 74 percent — still support the U.S.-led invasion that toppled the Taliban, they are now convinced that they would be better off alone.
This, according to Western observers, is part and parcel of Afghan psychology.
“They just do not want us here,” said one foreign diplomat, speaking on condition of anonymity. “The Western troops, when they came here [in 2001] said ‘the Soviets were invaders, we are liberators. But for Afghans it is all the same — we are all ‘foreigners.’ They will fight anyone who comes here.”
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Well, Obameh, Let US help
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 11:24 — Vic Anderson (not verified)Well, Obameh, Let US help Russia outta there! Fight Obamanible Oppression (FOO): BE The FOO-FIGHTERS!! To the buck Stop BARACKADES (10:00 AM, 12/16/10, Casa Blanca, D.C.)!!!
Public opinion has been
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 11:30 — Cynical Poopy (not verified)Public opinion has been indifferent or shaply against the war for nearly 10 years, The debate will only be permitted once the Ruling class allows it.(via the press Inc)
I, and many people I know,
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:14 — David Brookbank (not verified)I, and many people I know, do not want US troops in our neighborhoods here in the US. Why would people around the world want US troops, historically inclined to drug use, sex crimes, massacres, etc, in their countries, neighborhoods, and -- by the practice in Iraq and Afghanistan -- kicking down the doors to people's homes, elbowing their elderly out of the way, and throwing their sons on the ground before hauling them off from torture and "interrogation". US imperialist occupiers and war criminal out of Afghanistan and Iraq NOW!
How can thousands of years
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:16 — jjm (not verified)How can thousands of years of warlord rule be overturned in even a few decades? Democracy is a structure that from antiquity in the Greek city states to the revolutions that ushered in parliamentary regimes in Western Europe, the development of this notion of the demos has been slow and is not yet perfected.
I still wonder why we are there, and why the NATO countries seem so worried that we might leave?
Is it that oil pipeline they were building?
What? what? what?
Only 55 percent want U.S.
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:39 — John J. Coghlan (not verified)Only 55 percent want U.S. forces out of their country. Who conducted this study, the State Department?
There are NO WINNERS at war;
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 14:43 — tioche (not verified)There are NO WINNERS at war; and war IS terrorism with a big budget ! Fascist amerika IS the big loser; a few more years and the collapse of empire will do complete !
"Afghans Overwhelmingly Want
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 15:36 — Bite (not verified)"Afghans Overwhelmingly Want US Troops Out - and Soon"
So did the Iraqis. And look what happened there. As long as we have a neoliberal President and Congress, along with a Republican owned Media, then these wars will continue on indefinitely. There will be nothing to stop them. Obama has been fully indoctrinated with neoliberal economic theory; there's truly NO HOPE there. Therefore, the beginning of real change would have to be his exit from office. But how do we re-own our own national media? How do we wrestle out of the hands of Republicans, war-mongering, money-based, morally bankrupt Republicans, who own and operate right wing propaganda outlets like Fox, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, PBS and the others, that which conditions the minds of so many Americans and keeps them deluded and dumbed down? How do you even approach that problem as an urgent one and solve it immediately? Without re-taking the media by public intellectuals and educators, there's no way to actually beat these Republican monsters.
Day by day, America is
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 16:45 — Mike Vietnam Veteran (not verified)Day by day, America is dying. We are running out of life. " A nation that year after year spends more money on national defense than it does on programs of social uplift, is facing spiritual death." Martin Luther King Jr. April 4, 1967
If we were not widely hated
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:47 — Larry Glick (not verified)If we were not widely hated in the Middle East and Afghanistan on 9/11/2001, we certainly are now. Instead of nurturing relationships with those who were "sitting on the fence," we nurtured our dubious alliance with Saudi Arabia (who supports Al Qaida), and totally destroyed any possibility of continued friendship with the many in Iraq who were pr0-American as well as those in Afghanistan who recalled us as allies in their war with the Russians. Nice work, Bush and Obama!
There was no evidence of
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:54 — Anonymous (not verified)There was no evidence of Afghan involvement in 911 incident. DICK/Bush wanted an artificial, seemingly exceedingly easy scapegoat for the masses and pleasing to the military industrial complex. They did not know what a hornet's nest they were getting into. Now $trillions later and loss of countless lives, the policy of secrecy and back-room dealings of "if you are not with us, you are with the terrorists" is backfiring with no end in sight. We need to send the bill to DICK/Bush and all the fathers and mother who lost loved ones to their door to answer to them and the world. Is anyone held accountable to "WE THE PEOPLE" whose trust is so openly betrayed and whose lives have been so blatantly violated. I am not holding my breath....
Go to Washington
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 18:59 — Rick Hall (not verified)Go to Washington 12/16/10
http://www.stopthesewars.org/
@23:47 But the purpose of
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 19:23 — Bite (not verified)@23:47
But the purpose of 9/11, as enacted by the U.S. government, was not to garner support around the globe. It was a free ticket to wage war at a or any point of our choosing. So when you talk about the world being behind us after 9/11, which it was, it's irrelevant, in any case. 9/11 was our pass into endless wars as a NEOLIBERAL device to conquer the world in the name of "terrorism". 9/11 was this country's last ditch attempt to make sure that globalism succeeds, that the neoliberal agenda reaches completion, that U.S. multinationals dominate and control the economy of every nation on earth.
Great article. But
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 20:14 — George Bilgere (not verified)Great article. But please--the word is "lightning," not "lightening." Let us be literate as we change the world!
George Bilgere
55% is not overwhelming.
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 21:30 — An (not verified)55% is not overwhelming. But I believe we should get out ASAP- meaning start withdrawing troops today! Our kids are being killed for no reason, and our national debt is beyond skyrocketing for no reason (except to keep the unemployment rates down)
Why would the Afghanistan
Sun, 12/12/2010 - 23:24 — Anonymous (not verified)Why would the Afghanistan people possibly want U.S. troops to remain there? We are wasting the resources of both our countries and will never yield a positive return for either. May 2011 be the year of the serious anti-war movement and Obama have the courage to do the right thing, which would be an immediate removal of our presence in that region. Let the Taliban warlords have their little celebration, then sit in the dirt and scratch themselves!
SO DO WE !!!
Mon, 12/13/2010 - 04:19 — Genklag (not verified)SO DO WE !!!
While this country has done
Mon, 12/13/2010 - 04:36 — Anonymous (not verified)While this country has done so much good in coming to the aid of other countries in earthquakes, floods, etc., we have an arrogance that seems to result in thinking we should determine the form of government, democracy, leaders, etc. for every other country on earth. What arrogance to think that WE have the right to tell others what they should have in the forms of their governmental structures!!!
"There is, of course, some
Mon, 12/13/2010 - 14:46 — Anonymous (not verified)"There is, of course, some doubt as to the validity of any public opinion surveys in a country with a largely uneducated and unsophisticated population, suspicious of strangers and unwilling to share personal information for fear of possible consequences."
What an arrogant statement. I guess that makes public opinion polls in the U.S. reliable, since every uneducated, unsophisticated jackass in our population is willing to share all their, and their children's, personal information on Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube... as well as give up all their constitutional rights to guarantee their "safety." Assuming that one's level of education or degree of "sophistication" is somehow a measure of their worthiness to express themselves is one of the reasons too many Americans support such illegal invasions of other nations. I wonder if the author would invalidate the opinions of poorly educated, wary U.S. citizens in the many backwoods regions of impoverished America if they were invaded by armies occupying their land and wished for their expedient departure.
Those for getting out of
Mon, 12/13/2010 - 17:48 — Anonymous (not verified)Those for getting out of Afghanistan vote yes and others vote no to getting out but to tremain forever and waste the taxpayers money on a useless war where now the us troops have taken the place of the talibans who terrorise the population.Get out now, no sense!
OUR WAR PROMOTES
Tue, 12/14/2010 - 10:43 — Anonymous (not verified)OUR WAR PROMOTES TERRORISM.
WE KILL OFF THE OLDER TALIBAN LEADERS WHO ARE REPLACED WITH EVEN MORE RADICAL TALIBAN LEADERS.
NO WIN SITUATION!!
CUT OUR LOSES AND LETS GET OUT.
WHY IS OPIUM PRODUCTION SO HIGH?
HUMM, WAR AND DRUGS SEEM TO GO HAND AND HAND.
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