Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? I Only Earn Six Figures

by: Paul Krugman, Krugman & Co. | Op-Ed

Brother, Can You Spare a Dime? I Only Earn Six Figures
A home in North Beverly Park, an exclusive gated community in Beverly Hills, California. (Photo: J. Emilio Flores / The New York Times)

I live in a very sheltered world, yet I know young people just out of college who can’t find employment; men in their late 50s who have lost their jobs and think they will never find another; and families barely scraping by, terrified by what might happen if anyone were to get sick. These days, there are terrible stories everywhere you look.

Yet some Americans who have secure jobs and rather high incomes are feeling very sorry for themselves because it’s possible that they might have to pay somewhat higher taxes next year if the temporary reductions made during President George W. Bush’s tenure in office are allowed to expire for the wealthy.

Take, for example, an unnamed person mentioned in a recent online post by economist J. Bradford DeLong. This person supposedly makes $450,000 a year, has a family of five and after paying bills, loans, taxes and everything else (including private school tuition for three children and the costs of a $1 million house), is left with only a few hundred dollars a month of discretionary income. Mr. DeLong says this person strongly feels that he should not have to pay more taxes — “It is unfair: he is not ‘rich.’”

As Mr. DeLong puts it, “Is it pathetic that somebody with nine times the median household income thinks of himself as just another average Joe, just another ‘working American’? Yes.”

By using the Tax Policy Center’s online tax calculator, I have determined that the aforementioned sorry-for-himself person might indeed end up paying higher taxes next year — there is some uncertainty linked to our lack of knowledge about the details of his family situation — but probably not more than 2 percent of his income. So, Mr. DeLong points out, this person is angry — and not at financiers, but at “Barack Obama, who dares to suggest that the U.S. government’s funding gap should be closed partly by taxing him.”

Let’s set aside the disgruntled taxpayer’s story for a moment and look at the larger picture. Temporary tax breaks for the rich are stunningly bad economic policy. Why? Basic economic theory tells us that affluent taxpayers are likely to save rather than spend the great bulk of any funds they receive via a transitory tax break.

And while the Republicans’ proposed two-year extension of these tax breaks for the wealthy wouldn’t increase debt as much as a permanent extension, it would still be much more expensive than measures like aid to the unemployed and to small businesses — which do far more for the economy. 

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Backstory: The Rich Get Richer

When President Barack Obama took office in 2009 he inherited temporary tax cuts favoring wealthy Americans that President George W. Bush put in place in 2001 and 2003. These reductions have grown increasingly controversial as the United States’s economy has faltered, and especially since the cuts are set to expire at the end of this year.

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While these reductions were spread across most income levels, the so-called “Bush tax cuts” for the most part impacted those earning four times the median income, $50,000. Starting in 2001, households earning more than $250,000 per year, and individuals earning more than $200,000, saw a reduction in their income-tax bill to 35 percent from an average of 39.6 percent. Proponents argue that greater wealth in the upper class trickles down throughout the economy and stimulates growth. On the other hand, with the divide between the poor and the ultra-wealthy widening in the United States, fewer people view trickle-down economics as a viable solution to the country’s ongoing financial woes.

Opponents also argue that wealthier Americans tend to hold onto their tax savings rather than spend them — a behavior that boosts the net worth of the rich but does little to help the general economy. Also, according to the Obama administration, revoking the tax cuts for the wealthy would mean $678 billion in additional federal revenue through 2020.

On Sept. 23, Senate Democrats indicated that they would delay any debate about the tax cuts until after the midterm elections in November.

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Paul Krugman joined The New York Times in 1999 as a columnist on the Op-Ed page and continues as a professor of economics and international affairs at Princeton University. He was awarded the Nobel in economic science in 2008.

Mr Krugman is the author or editor of 20 books and more than 200 papers in professional journals and edited volumes, including "The Return of Depression Economics" (2008) and "The Conscience of a Liberal" (2007).

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Recall that Krugman’s

Recall that Krugman’s “models” compelled him to recommend that interest rates be slashed after the dotcom bubble burst, in order to inflate a housing bubble. That is exactly what happened, and despite the devastating consequences, Krugman refuses to question the validity of his models.
 
Eight links are submitted here for proof that Krugman called for rate cuts to create a housing bubble, two links for proof that he opposed interest rates being raised again, and two where he credits the housing bubble for mid-decade economic expansion.
 
http://www.pkarchive.org/global/welt.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/05/02/opinion/reckonings-dodging-the-bullet.html
http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ML071801.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/08/14/opinion/reckonings-delusions-of-prosperity.html
http://www.pkarchive.org/economy/ML082201.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/10/07/opinion/reckonings-fuzzy-math-returns.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/12/28/opinion/could-ve-been-worse.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/08/02/opinion/dubya-s-double-dip.html

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/03/hair-of-the-dog
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/10/opinion/spin-the-payrolls.html

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/19/bush-is-right-about-something

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/27/opinion/27krugman.html
 



The middle class (what's

The middle class (what's left of them) and the poor aren't going to be saving their money like the rich are; they're going to take that money and pay off their credit cards and other debts they've piled up because the cost of living has gone up. And that will make the banks unhappy, because they won't be able to collect billions in interest charges.



Regardless, What DEBATE?

Regardless, What DEBATE? DEM: Do NOTHING (As USUAL). Just(ly) let Them EXPIRE!



"Recall that Krugman’s

"Recall that Krugman’s “models” compelled him to recommend that interest rates be slashed after the dotcom bubble burst, in order to inflate a housing bubble. That is exactly what happened, and despite the devastating consequences, Krugman refuses to question the validity of his models."

Really, Mr. von Freemason, that is the best you can do?



Krugman nails it: "Temporary

Krugman nails it:

"Temporary tax breaks for the rich are stunningly bad economic policy. Why? Basic economic theory tells us that affluent taxpayers are likely to save rather than spend the great bulk of any funds they receive via a transitory tax break."

The Bush II tax cuts started going into effect in 2001 and are still in effect. Where are the jobs they were supposed to create?

Libertarians and Republicans, repeat after President Bush I: "Voodoo economics."



I know people like this.

I know people like this. They grew up poor, or at least relatively poor, and now, after a college education, and becoming "yes-men" in their corporations, they consider themselves as "middle class."

Here's why:

They have Bosses that are FAR GREATER COMPENSATED THAN THEM, and know that their bosses are able to "off-shore" and "hide" their compensations from the taxman, while they, and their compensations, cannot be so. So, to them, their bosses are rich, whereas they are middle class.



Here's the deal. If the

Here's the deal. If the Bush tax cuts for the rich are supposed to "trickle down" and create jobs, then where are the jobs? The tax cuts have been in effect for almost 10 years, where are the jobs? The rich are not paying their fare share, where are the jobs this tax cut is supposed to be producing? The party of NO can't have it both ways. If they keep pounding us with "when rich people are richer they will create jobs", then where are the jobs? Because rich people are richer than they have ever been. Oh, wait, the jobs are in China, Viet Nam, Mexico, India, Pakistan, Bangladesh. Looks like I'll have to move to one of these countries to get a trickle down job. Who are these assholes?



Low interest rates, huh?

Low interest rates, huh? What's wrong with low interest rates? It seems perhaps predatory lending practices and fraudulent packaging and selling of securitized subprime mortgages are closer to the mark. But that doesn't fit so well with the self-regulated, "free market" story.

Anyway, everyone wants low taxes, don't they? We need a much leaner military, less government subsidies, less corporate welfare, a simpler tax system, universal healthcare privately delivered, a clean energy economy, a strong environmental ethic, less infrastructure aka a sustainable nation. This would go a long way to reducing gov't. expenses, and perhaps taxes could be reduced for everyone. Until that happens, the rich can afford to pay more tax for more waste. Simple.



I can understand that there

I can understand that there may times when taxes may be cut. What I can not accept, is that they are cut for a specific group/segment of the population. If they weren't such greedy bastards in the first place and had sponsored tax cuts for EVERYBODY, then I'd join them in whining about raising taxes. No more tax cuts unless they are EQUALLY applied across all income groups. And for the record, Why are there ever any tax cuts for corporations? Stop that crap too. Pay your taxes (all of them) and let everybody get on with living in a better funded USA.



We need to go back to

We need to go back to Alexander Hamilton's theory of mercantilism. Put a 40% tariff on all goods coming into this country and raise the top tax bracket back to 70% (before Ronny Reagan) on all income over 5 million. That will replenish our manufacturing base that we have been off shoring for the past 30 years. Put the country back to work plus we will be able to manufacture our own military supplies. Do you think China will supply us with bullets if we get into a shooting war over Taiwan?



Why aren't they called the

Why aren't they called the Bush tax increases as they were always planned to go up unless someone else subsequently decided TO CUT them again.



I do not understand why the

I do not understand why the rich have become so callous to the plight of the unemployed and why profit at any cost has become such an obsession that the rich would sacrifice the long term stability of the society for a few more dollars (remember the movie)? I much rather pay higher taxes and find ways to give the unemployed a job than to keep hoarding (I guess I have not caught the disease of the super rich). On the other end, we have a few who have gamed the system and made it a career to live off the working poor as well. We need to find a way to bring some comprehension to the rich about the consequences of too many people on the street (they are the kids, mothers, sisters, fathers, etc.) of those who would be asked to show the iron fist for protecting the rich. I would not feel secure in such a condition. So Mr. & Ms. RICH, understand what is at stake and play your role as a social stabilizer instead of social wrecker!!! And we need to find a way to goad the army of welfare buffs to get off their duff and start supporting themselves. We need to shut down the disability gate and get the attorneys out of this business.



When Krugman first started

When Krugman first started his column, he bought into the idea that unregulated capitalism created a middle class. As his column went on, in the year or two after 9/11 he quickly moved to where Dean Baker is, that New Deal economics created the middle class (The great compression). I've been a regular reader of Krugman, and he definitely warned of a housing bubble.

So if someone wants to isolate a few columns they can do what Andrew Breitbart did to Shirley Sherrod. The lie still wouldn't be true.



Andrew Breitbart carefully

Andrew Breitbart carefully edited Shirley Sherrod's video to create a false impression. Selecting a few columns, while omitting the ones where Krugman specifically warns or a housing bubble, is similar in its deceptiveness.



I'm crying in my soup for

I'm crying in my soup for Mr. DeLong. What planet does he live on? How about ending the month, usually a week early, with zero, and very thankful for what I have. I live in New York City. I'm 66, a mother and grandmother, my annual income is $24,000, and I have major medical issues. I have a Ph.D. and had a professional job. What happened? Some bad medical and employment luck. Get real, Mr. DeLong and the rest of you privileged folks--quit complaining and be thankful for what you have.



What an uninformed

What an uninformed readership !!



What a vacuous comment.

What a vacuous comment.



Who created all of the

Who created all of the national debt? Where did all the money go?

http://zfacts.com/p/318.html

Now another question - Why aren't the Republicans running on the record established during three
R administrations Reagan, Bush, W. Bush
Twenty and a grand total of $9.2 trillion added to the national debt. All documented in the link above.



look behind the curtian

look behind the curtian people...its not dem or rep...its what happens when people ignore their liberties, and let banks run the country ..tra la la, lets go to disneyland ! watch the tube, drink your brewskis and wait til the tanks come rolling it...nebver happen you say...It isnt Obama , hes a puppet on a string!like all the rest/...listen to the interview with Norman Dodd by G. Edward Griffin. or better yet read G. Edwards book..CREATURE from Jekyll Island...its the intl bankers whove take the USA slowly since ww1...and we all sleepon!



People, start here and plan

People, start here and plan ways to do things differently. [ http://www.dgswilson.com/player/PiercingTheIllusion.html ]You really don't have to accept things as they are. Remember they weren't always that way. People can make things different. We can decide to be and do things differently



When tax rates were

When tax rates were extremely high for the Kennedys, Bushes, Mellons, Carnegies,
Rockefellers, Hunts, Coors, etc., THEY DIDN'T GO BROKE! Regarding the $450K a year wannabe richer person: live within your means, jerk! If you only have a few hundred dollars left after paying your bills, you're living beyond your means. Pick two: 40 ft plus sailboat, luxury automobile, and McMansion: get rid of one!



Any thots about

Any thots about re-structuring the work week? Howz about a 20 hour work week? Solidarity forever!



My Republican father paid a

My Republican father paid a 90% tax in the 1950s. We lived very well; I went to Wellesley without a scholarship, and my parents expected me to "enrich" myself not to work during the summers, e.g., I studied art history in Florence. I never heard my parents whine about taxes. Would you please write about taxes on the upper 3% in the 50s and how that tax structure might be relevant today?



@Anonymous - 23:18 - "Get

@Anonymous - 23:18 - "Get real, Mr. DeLong and the rest of you privileged folks--quit complaining and be thankful for what you have."

Read the article again and then go and then google "delong + henderson."

Idiot.



Ralph Nader has talked about

Ralph Nader has talked about going back to the same tax levels that existed in the 50's and 60's. Why do people think the economy was doing so much better in those days?

But this administration, just like Republicans -- they don't have the fortitude to do it. They just piss around with a little tax increase here, a big bail out there, and so on.

I'm so tired of their smoke and mirrors show.

Thank you, Paul Krugman, for being a voice of sanity in crazed times.



Mr Truth, Could you or

Mr Truth,

Could you or someone else give us some citations where Prof Krugman warned about the housing bubble—preferably before it started to collapse in 2006? I thought he himself claimed that, like most other economists, he didn't see the financial crash coming. Perhaps he saw the housing bubble but didn't connect it with the overall financial bubble?

I suspect that the heart of the matter with all of us, not just economists, is the addiction to "economic growth." We're supposed to grow out of all our problems including social equity. The "voices of sanity" all want to "get the economy growing again." Since the FIRE sector (Finance, Insurance, Real Estate) is now the dominant economic interest, when you want growth you want the banks to grow.

I don't understand Prof Krugman's reasoning about rich people saving rather than spending their tax bonanzas. Rich people don't save by stuffing cash under their mattresses, they put it into the financial sector, where they can protect and increase their wealth. In reality the rest of us are forced to subsidize this strategy—their wealth is made possible by our lower incomes and our higher taxes!



The uber rich need to get

The uber rich need to get soaked. Is this class warfare? You bet it is, Buster.

www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

Tom Degan
Goshen, NY



Anyone who wants to

Anyone who wants to apologize for Mr. De long's living beyond his means is the idiot! thought nobility ended a long time ago. Raise taxes through the roof on these overpaid people. Back in 1954, by the way, the highest paid player in the NFL was Y.A. Tittle of the 49ers, at $20k a year and corporate presidents made a few hundred thousand! The income gap that developed through mostly 30 years of having a Rethuglican president should be obvious to everyone, but unfortunately not to the greedy!



Thank you, Tom Degan, you're

Thank you, Tom Degan, you're brilliant as always. Yes, it is class warfare; the monied powers have been waging war on the rest of us for decades, albeit the closest they've come to a formal declaration of war was identifying the Presidents Roosevelt as "class traitors".



Prof. Krugman, Please help

Prof. Krugman,

Please help me out with something. I believe the following are simply Orwellian slogans/propaganda tools --

a) trickle-down economics, and
b) free market theory

Personally, I don't believe that money or economic benefit "trickles down". Nor do I believe that this market is "free".

Actually, I believe all that we've seen in the past decade supports the view that the market is continuously manipulated and that the money is actually trickling up, and staying there.

Please help provide a factual frame for this view.



Why not require that anyone

Why not require that anyone in the moneyed class who wants to keep her/his tax-welfare discount add name, address(es) & phone(s) number(s) to a list to be published in every major newspaper in the country? That would be transparency. That would, of course, include little George, big Dick, and all their clan members, along with the inheritors of the Reagan fortunes.



Whose palatial estate is

Whose palatial estate is pictured? What are the names and addresses and phone numbers? We'd love to be able to write and congratulate them on their good (or evil?) forturne.



"I know ... men in their

"I know ... men in their late 50s who have lost their jobs and think they will never find another..." Well, what about older women who are trapped in intolerable or abusive marriages and can't leave because they couldn't live on one (woman's) salary are legion. Older women who do leave such marriages often live lives of poverty and desperation.



Isn't it time to abandon the

Isn't it time to abandon the tinkle down theory of wealth distribution? More is more. Those with more may or may not choose to spend it, increasingly choosing may not and increasingly doing their savings globally. All of little benefit to the good old USA where they are prime beneficiaries of public sector services, for example, an oversized military making the world safe for multinational corporations. A recent article about the Koch brothers noted both their philanthropic and political expenditures and views. It is all very much gilded age retread. These billionaires seem to view themselves as the present day aristocracy (even if they flatter themselves that is a pure meritocracy, or worse, divine ordinance) that is entitled to have it all and on terms of their choosing (no regulation whatsoever, no constraints regarding environmental impact or working conditions harmful to employees or contractors, etc) then place their largess where they choose and when they choose.



The rich are going to get

The rich are going to get richer and the rest of the folks are going to get poorer as long as the rich are safe in power. A real shift will occur in this world when, say, the hundred richest people are killed. That will make the rest of them think about their role in the world a little differently. But the rich won't be killed because they own the vast public communication infrastructure that broadcasts hourly the wonderfulness of wealth and the dignity of power. The world will only get its mojo back when all the sources of cheap energy (fossil fuels) are depleted. Then the rich people will have to interact with the rest of us. It will be a thousand years of healing.

Don't worry. Fossil fuels will run out. Be happy.



It's just capitalism. The

It's just capitalism.
The money flows to the place where it'll gather the most profits.
Why should the corporatists and capitalists pay TAXES on their profits, when they don't INVEST in the USA?
Silly us.
Thinking that capitalists ride on the same roads we do, use the bridges that we do, and eat the same food that we do. They take helicopters. They have organic food prepared from scratch.
They don't need us anymore. All the money can be outsourced and off-shored. Now do you understand why they're so upset about "socialism"? Makes sense, eh?



Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:40 —

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 11:40 — bill (not verified)

"Could you or someone else give us some citations where Prof Krugman warned about the housing bubble—preferably before it started to collapse in 2006?"

I do recall him, in late 2005ish - early 2006ish, saying that housing prices were too high and that when they fall we would lose some construction jobs, but that's about it. Then again, at that time he was saying that our debt was too high (his column of May 19, 2006, for example, where he said, "...we're going to have to start selling goods and services, not just I.O.U.'s, to the rest of the world..."), and now he's arguing for more debt, so he'll say just about anything.



It seems class warfare is in

It seems class warfare is in the future. I wish I hadn't had the lobotomy and realized investing in war manufacturing companies would put me in the upper realms of " middle class wealth. " D. Cheney and his "Other Priorities" war hero legacy, which gave us "Freedom Fries " and Oh Blah Blah's submissive butt kissing to Wall Street and the monarchs that run this country would truly be my friends.

Someone once said: " I can hire half the working class to kill off the other half. " Having worked as a working class people organizer. I can testify that they will cut off their noses to spite their faces and even do more to self destruct. Seems like give them ' 'bread and circuses' along with professional wrestling . There are some very good rich people but the vast majority are smart and only think about themselves and will suck the stupid working class dry. Worked for the very wealthy for many years as a gardener and when every money came into the discussion, I would get the second act of KING LEAR or a version of one of the tragic operas we have. I could only hope for the fat lady to sing!

I'm going to go and eat some "Freedom Fries and go look for Weapons of Mass Destruction." I know they are out there because ........." The one thing history teaches us is that we don't learn from history!" My 15 minute attention span is up.



To the post above: you took

To the post above: you took the words right out of Meg Whitman's mouth!



To the person saying the

To the person saying the obvious, that things were better in the 50's (except for certain people still living under Jim Crow) money was worth more than it is now. The rich hated to see the lower middle class start living kinda like they did: maybe a vacation home or a boat because of good union wages. Then came Reagan, and you know that formerly poor person really hated his roots!
He did the bidding for the multi-millionaires then, making them into billionaires with tinkle-on-the middle class and working poor economic policies. By the way, these are facts, not opinions!



Thank you LWoodward, for

Thank you LWoodward, for that point. Every time I read another journalist speak about the men in their fifties who lose their jobs and will likely not work again, I think about all the middle aged women who will not work again, and don't have a man to fall back on. Or, as you mention - women who stay in relationships because the realities of what is available *out there* are untenable, survival-wise. Would men expect as much out of life for themselves? Why is always *men* in their fifties who will never work again? How many unemployed Americans off the official statistics are women who would work if they could? Whether they're in a horrible relationship, or grateful, that however impoverished and forgotten by America, at least they're not with that person? (That person, of course, having no such economic concerns, as a result.)



How about PEOPLE in their

How about PEOPLE in their fifties who will never work again?



The only way the money is

The only way the money is going to "trickle down" from the top 5% is if we tax them.



"The only way the money is

"The only way the money is going to 'trickle down' from the top 5% is if we tax them."

Spot on!



Wed, 10/13/2010 - 01:41 —

Wed, 10/13/2010 - 01:41 — Anonymous (not verified)

"Howz about a 20 hour work week?"

Yeah... let's each cut our economic production in half. That will really help the economy.



Millions of ordinary

Millions of ordinary Americans, middle, upper-middle, lower class, and a smattering of the formerly affluent are now facing homelessness and destitution in the wake of unprecedented consumer goods, services, and utilities costs versus cost cutting for the producers achieved to the detriment of the common working person and taxpayer. their overhead and cost of goods produced is down--way down-- but they are passing along increases to consumers! Also in the wake of an unprecedented confiscation of wealth unseen since Cromwell ravaged Ireland. It is very difficult to feel sorry for a person who is whining about paying some income tax while alive, let alone some estate tax-- post mortem in lieu of income tax when so many millions are wondering where the next meal will come from and what roof if any will cover their heads. What namby pambie self-serving narcisists have we entrusted our national wealth and treasure to> Perhaps it is high time to thin the herd of parasites?



"It seems class warfare is

"It seems class warfare is in the future."

Don't look now, but class warfare is in our past, and is very much in our present right now at this very moment.



"The only way the money is

"The only way the money is going to 'trickle down' from the top 5% is if we tax them."

Not if We the People abrogate our responsibility, as We have been doing, to examine how that tax money gets spent and insist that such money is spent for the benefit the country as a whole.

All they do now is back aspirants to elective office (from among *us*) who will betray the interests of the nation, and so get their money back in the form of favorable government action which provides legal cover for their larceny.



To all those of you who are

To all those of you who are suffering because the crash caused you to lose your house - your ONLY house, not your vacation house; caused you to lose your health care - the rich never lose theirs; caused you to be downsized because OF COURSE trickle-down is a fallacy . . . The next time puffed-up Pentagon "experts" start yammering about "sacrifice"? Point to the uber-wealthy and demand that either they sacrifice for the good of the nation (Pentagon "experts" always say that what they do is for the good of the nation) or any profit from warmaking will be taxed at 100%.



Dear Hawkey: You seem to

Dear Hawkey: You seem to cast aspersions at the idea that 50s tax rates would be relevant today. In the 50s we were fighting wars (we wouldn't formally declare them but we were), in Korea, then in Vietnam. No one would've thought of cutting taxes - not even a Republican (like Eisenhower, who was President) - while fighting a war.