Businesses Do Not Create Jobs
Thursday 11 November 2010
by: Dave Johnson | Campaign for America's Future | Report
Businesses do not create jobs. In fact, the way our economy is structured the incentive is for businesses to get rid of as many jobs as they can.
Demand Creates Jobs
A job is created when demand for goods or services is greater than the existing ability to provide them. When there is a demand, people will see the need and fill it. Either someone will start filling the demand alone, or form a new business to fill it or an existing provider of the good or service will add employees as needed. (Actually a job can be created by a business, a government, a non-profit organization or just a person doing the job, depending on the nature of the good or service that is required.)
So a demand creates a job. A person who sees that houses on a block need their lawns mowed might go door to door and say they will mow the lawn for $10. When houses start saying "Yes, I need my lawn mowed" a job has been created!
Demand also creates businesses. The person who is filling demand by mowing lawns for people might after a while have a regular circuit of houses that want their lawns mowed every week, and will buy a truck and a new mower and hire someone to help. A business is born!
Businesses Want To Kill Jobs, Not Create Them
Many people wrongly think that businesses create jobs. They see that a job is usually at a business, so they think that therefore the business "created" the job. This thinking leads to wrongheaded ideas like the current one that giving tax cuts to businesses will create jobs, because the businesses will have more money. But an efficiently-run business will already have the right number of employees. When a business sees that more people are coming in the door (demand) than there are employees to serve them, they hire people to serve the customers. When a business sees that not enough people are coming in the door and employees are sitting around reading the newspaper, they lay people off. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.
Businesses have more incentives to eliminate jobs than to create them. Businesses in our economy exist to create profits, not jobs. This means the incentive is for a business to create as few jobs as possible at the lowest possible cost. They also constantly strive to reduce the number of people they employ by bringing in machines, outsourcing or finding other ways to reduce the payroll. This is called "cutting costs" which leads to higher profits. The same incentive also pushes the business to pay as little as possible when they do hire. (It also pushes businesses to cut worker safety protections, cut product quality, cut customer service, "externalize" costs by polluting, etc.)
This obviously works against the interests of the larger society, which wants lots of good jobs with good pay. And businesses, while working to cut jobs and pay less, need other businesses to hire lots of people and pay well, because that is what creates the demand that makes all the businesses work.
Government To The Rescue
This is where government comes in. Government is We, the People, working for that larger societal interest. In our current system -- when it works -- we use government to come up with ways to balance the effects of the profit motive -- which pushes for fewer jobs at lower pay -- with our larger need for more jobs at higher pay for us, and for the good of all the businesses. We, through our government, create and regulate the "playing field" on which businesses operate. We set minimum wages, limits on working hours, worker safety rules and other rules designed to keep that balance between profit incentive and demand, and that playing field level. (We also provide the infrastructure of roads, schools, courts, etc. that is what makes our businesses competetive with businesses in other countries. The individual interest in paying less taxes for this has to be balanced with the larger interest that we all pay more for this, but that is another post, titled, "Tax Cuts Are Theft.")
Corrupted
Obviously businesses in our system must be kept from having any ability whatsoever to influence government decision-making in any way, or the system breaks down. When businesses are able to influence government, they will influence government in ways that provide themselves - and only themselves - with more profits, meaning lower costs, meaning fewer jobs at worse pay and not protecting workers, the environment or other businesses. And, they will fight to keep their ability to influence government, using the resulting wealth gains to increase their power over the government which increases their wealth which increases their power over the government which increases their wealth which increases their power over the government which increases their wealth which increases their power over the government which increases their wealth which increases their power over the government ...
Unfortunately this is the system as it is today.
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Wouldn't it be a wonderful
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 15:49 — Curtis L. Walker (not verified)Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if our President was provided a copy of this single article and 1) shoot down the tax cut idea each and every time someone demands tax cuts for Business and 2) Introduces and Discusses this next Saturday as the single topic for the Presidential Weekly Address!
Thank God we have someone
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 16:04 — Anonymous (not verified)Thank God we have someone who knows what the problems are and how to solve them in less than ten paragraphs. I hope Prez Obama, Tim Geithner, Ben Bernake and a few hundred Congress people as well as Harvard School of Business and a few thousand bankers and economists will have access to Mr Johnson's highly sensible article. If we followed his leads we could get moving very quickly on solving the financial mess we're in.
well I've been wondering for
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 16:13 — Anonymous (not verified)well I've been wondering for years now where all these instant jobs have been created...and where are the people who actually filled those jobs! As I suspected, it's just propaganda as usual to appease the public. I'm so not surprised!
This is a very good clear
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 16:19 — Rick Nagin (not verified)This is a very good clear understandable explanation that should be widely circulated. But the role of the government is not simply to regulate businesses and the market. The government also is a direct employer in schools, publicly owned enterprises and authorities and in public services at all levels. Public employment is under attack by the right wing which seeks to privatize everything and direct revenue away from serving the people. Public employment needs to be defended and greatly expanded as was done in the New Deal.
Unfortunately, this article
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 17:01 — Anonymous (not verified)Unfortunately, this article isn't exactly true. Through aggressive advertising and manipulation of media, business do 'create' demand by making us feel insecure, fearful, inadequate. Therefore, they can then sell us what we don't need, to impress people we don't care about, who will forget about us anyway and all the while trashing the planet by using up scarce resources. The goal being profit at all costs.
A reasonable summary, but I
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 18:54 — Anonymous (not verified)A reasonable summary, but I also agree with Anonymous. Ours is a system that requires jobs for everyone regardless of whether those jobs produce any necessary goods or services. The cosmetics industry is a prime example of utterly useless crap that is foisted on millions of people and may do more harm than good, yet an argument in its defense is that "it provides jobs".
However, in the short term it is probably easier to explain the author's point than to seek some economic utopia.
Each and every American
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 19:32 — Markdphoto (not verified)Each and every American reading this would see the truth of this article.
This is a concise , clear and to the point explanation of how the business world works. There are those who quibble with details, but no one can argue with his scope and strength of his argument.
As I always tell my friends, I have never said "Wow, I got a tax break, I am going to hire me some overhead."
All you have to do for proof
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 19:55 — AML (not verified)All you have to do for proof that businesses don't create jobs is :
Look at the Bush years from 2001 to 2008. The jobs declined, except for a short spurt in 2007 that was the housing bubble - short lived- and then the crash. Look at a graph, look at a chart, look at unemployment statistics; whatever floats your boat.
It was the first time in history that the GDP went up and jobs went down. Wall St. was making the money, and it was not by creating jobs.
http://www.kicknotes.com/view
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 20:00 — Le0 (not verified)http://www.kicknotes.com/view.asp?c474NgESOQxPHybCfbLORVhtHTomvJNrTwwSUQlTURkaGJVwZSVmtBISbnFTPRvZdxHsWaCeNUhVMMAt
this is only true of large
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 20:04 — Cyndi Masters (not verified)this is only true of large business. Small businesses create both need and jobs every day. The same way Henry Ford did. This is the foundation of our country.
Almost all job growth in this country comes from small business. We aren't C corps and dont get tax breaks. We dont get stimulus money and now we cant get loans.
The gov is in bed with big corporations who do exactly what is described in this article and offering them incentives is a waste of our hard earned $$ in my opinion.
They want to take this country back.. Then go back to small business and make sure they can get the necessary capital (loans based on solid business plans and/or history) to launch new industries and create new need .. and turn this country back into a world leader!
For 30 years, the goal of
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 20:13 — Stan Sorscher (not verified)For 30 years, the goal of government policy has been "make business succeed." By implication, workers, families and communities would take their share.
In this way, business would succeed by direct action. Everyone else takes a leap of faith.
Why is demand so low, now? For 30 years, wages have been stagnant while businesses succeeded, but everyone else was excluded from boon.
This article set up the question business leaders need to ask; which would you rather have - cheaper labor or prosperous customers? You cannot have both.
This article is true, but
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 21:42 — Anonymous (not verified)This article is true, but only for a certain segment of the country, Main Street. For Wall Street, this paradigm no longer applies. Financiers no longer need to actually produce anything to make money. Now, all they do is use things like securities and derivatives to increase their wealth. Obviously, that money has to come from somewhere, and it usually means the rest of us, either directly, like with toxic mortgages, or indirectly, through the government using our tax money. The result of this is plain to see for anyone who's been paying attention for the past few years. Simply put, tax cuts to anybody, even "small businesses", is not going to help. Wall Street will just keep shuffling papers until they get richer, actual businesses are going to keep sitting on their cash until people actually start buying stuff from them, and actual people aren't going to start buying stuff until they can afford it. Bottom line: shut down the casino, and make it so people can actually afford stuff.
You're right, demand creates
Sat, 11/13/2010 - 22:27 — Westcoastliberal (not verified)You're right, demand creates jobs, not businesses or especially politicians. I cringe every time a pol starts ranking about so-called "policies" that create jobs.
What we need right now is an old-fashioned WPA directed at not just fixing our crumbling infrastructure, but also creating Federal government funded manufacturing revitalizion replacing the factories. Let the employees buy out the company down the road. This "austerity" movement is ass-backwards and we will see "Hoovervilles" soon, only now they'll be called "Obamavilles".
More Socialism hyperbole!
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 02:41 — Ken (not verified)More Socialism hyperbole! Of course businesses create jobs--when they expand, when they add a new product line, or when a new business is created! Government "jobs", on the other hand, just create another demand for tax dollars (government jobs don't create wealth, they are a black hole--TAX DOLLARS pay government salaries, which come from the folks who have the non-government jobs....anyone who doesn't get this needs to go back and repeat Econ 101!).
What we need is a rocket ship so we can send the unproductive 1/3 of our population...the accountants, the politicians, etc., off to settle another planet a la "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" and get our country back on track!
This short article describes
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 02:56 — Jake (not verified)This short article describes that our ways of doing business, and the *effects* that those ways have upon the consuming populace that are their workers being paid wages, has returned to the *attitude* of doing business at the beginning and early stages of the industrial revolution: the 1840s. We have been moved *backwards.*
There are many many reasons why business does not create jobs. Very very few of these are in plain sight. Plain ordinary people without business degrees are just as short sighted about this massive problem. It is an attitude that stains every corner of this society. The attitude is even worse, and even more devilish, among those who *do* have business degrees, because they are *taught* the contra-labor propaganda. If you starve the engine for fuel or oil, it will lock up and will sieze, and the engine will cease to function at all. You then have the replace the *entire* engine, instead of simply maintaining its needs. You cannot starve the horse and expect it to be productive, even when (or if) it's an iron horse.
Let's step back and look at
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 05:52 — Sepp (not verified)Let's step back and look at this for a moment.
Jobs are our main and only means for obtaining the money to spend for our survival.
As we get smarter figuring out how to do things with less effort (aided by computers, better machines, etc) we inevitably find that businesses need less manpower to put out the same amount of product. The result: people out of a job and in difficulty to survive. Secondary result: Less demand, meaning even less jobs. This is an inevitable downward spiral.
A positive development (smarter production) has been turned into a serious problem (less jobs).
Two ways we usually look at for solving this are: 1) make more jobs by emphasis on doing things manually, or doing things that aren't strictly speaking necessary and 2) prevent businesses from doing what would be natural for them - which is to increase efficiency and cut costs of production.
There is another way to handle this.
Let's look at ways to obtain spending money without the necessity for having a job.
Yes yes, I hear the "socialism" comments. But then - go right ahead and try to solve this one without looking at a larger picture.
We need spending power (demand) to create jobs. We can't have spending power without jobs. Technological progress decrees that there be less jobs as efficiency increases. What to do?
Give everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, a basic income on which to survive. The money is available. We can spend it for war, we can spend it to bail out the banks, why can't we spend it to guarantee a decent life for everyone?
And don't say it is because "people wouldn't work if they did not have to" that's bollocks. They would, and with great pleasure. And minus all the pain and desperation.
Unfortunately, we will
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 07:37 — Pete Pallein (not verified)Unfortunately, we will become a third world country, someday It is simple greed that dictates our future. I ,for one, am not so sublime that I foresee a great teleological force pulling us into Utopia.
Unless we learn to share amongst ourselves, we will always be shackled by greed and gluttony.
Ken: I read your comment
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 09:56 — Austin Loomis (not verified)Ken: I read your comment before replying to it. This is, judging by the content of your comment, more than you did before replying to the original article. That is all I have to say about your comment.
1. Jobs are always a
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 12:56 — Anonymous (not verified)1. Jobs are always a lagging indicator of the economy.
2. Any business, regardless of size, is more likely to increase output by upping production of existing employees before they will bring in new employees. New employees require time to hire, time to train, time to supervise adequately, etc. New hires also cost much more money than existing due to benefits, etc. An existing employee doesn't create those costs.
look at this closely then
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 14:21 — Anonymous (not verified)look at this closely then pass it on. It's up to us now since the democrats are too damned cowardly to fight back with the truth. Remember the budget is crafted in Oct. a year in advance
Page 11 here
http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b2009_3.pdf
Page 12 here
http://www.fms.treas.gov/bulletin/b2010_3.pdf
Read the Parable of the
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 16:09 — Anonymous (not verified)Read the Parable of the Water Tank by Edward Bellamy. Written in 1897, it invokes true Christianity, as William Jennings Bryan understood it, to make the same point.
http://webspace.webring.com/people/hs/stewjackmail/parable.html
I hope your Economics
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 18:47 — Anonymous (not verified)I hope your Economics professor failed you. That assumes you ever took an Economics course.
I had a whole response to this that explained how the economy works in the real world, but apparently your website didn't like it and blocked it as spam.
Let's suffice to say that a Ph.D. candidate in economics, who has passed all of her exams and courses and has only to finish her dissertation to be granted the doctorate in the field by a Research I university within the borders of the United States, says you're wrong. Entirely wrong.
However, the Constitution of this great nation guarantees you the right to be wrong, even in public places. It just also guarantees me the right to point out your ignorance.
"Government "jobs", on the
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 19:42 — Anonymous (not verified)"Government "jobs", on the other hand, just create another demand for tax dollars (government jobs don't create wealth, they are a black hole--TAX DOLLARS pay government salaries, which come from the folks who have the non-government jobs....anyone who doesn't get this needs to go back and repeat Econ 101!)."
please stop watching fox news and start reading history texts (history 101 will do).
Government jobs bouy demand which would otherwise vanish in the event of mass layoffs, generally without competing with the private sector.
Tax dollars don't create wealth? Counterexamples:
1 - hoover dam -> las vegas
2 - california water project -> fresh produce for the country
3 - transcontinental railroad
4 - interstate highways
5 - investment in internet infrastructure
need i go on..
"Let's suffice to say that a
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 19:51 — Anonymous (not verified)"Let's suffice to say that a Ph.D. candidate ...says you're wrong. Entirely wrong."
And let me say as a graduate of a research I university within the top 10 of the world in business and econ that YOU are wrong, and it's indicative of just how corrupt the halls of academia are, that riffraff such as yourself have managed to make their way to such credentials without an adequate understanding of the discipline.
Please revisit: multipart game theory, the fundamental pitfalls and fallacies of economics, moral hazard, and the basic theory of supply and demand. Also, read Stiglitz's analysis of supply side economics, why its so appealing, and why, in the end, it does not work. Businesses do not create jobs, demand forces them to add them to keep up.
Good to know that someone
Sun, 11/14/2010 - 21:47 — Anonymous (not verified)Good to know that someone who is "a graduate of a research I university within the top 10 of the world in business and econ" but apparently not a masters or Ph.D. recipient knows more about Economics than someone with a masters degree in the field hanging on her wall and Ph.D. close at hand! I'm proud to be part of the "riffraff" that's running the Federal Reserve and not part of the ignorant masses who run the Legislative and Executive branches!
That was kneejerk, I
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 00:19 — Anonymous (not verified)That was kneejerk, I apologize.
The supply and demand model you cite implies that the market is always in short-run equilibrium. That means that this concept of demand exceeding supply simply can't exist under this view of the world. In fact, the S&D model can't even explain the natural rate of unemployment without imposing a minimum wage. We need search-theory models to create this effect.
There is a model that utilizes the concept of excess demand---the Keynesian model. Hate to break it to you, but Keynesianism has fallen out of favor. I am pretty sure that it has something to do with the general consensus that it's wrong.
As for your reference to Stiglitz and a supply-side paper, I can't seem to find that. Do you have a date and journal/book in which it was published? I did find a 1990 article in the Oxford Economic Papers by Lucas that's a supply-side review of literature, and the only Stiglitz piece it cites is a 1980 lecture published in a book. And I think you're the one who brought up supply-side economics, not me :D
Profits drive businesses to expand, which creates jobs. Nothing "forces" businesses to create these jobs; it's purely profit-maximization. If there aren't profits, there aren't businesses, and therefore there aren't any jobs.
"The supply and demand model
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 00:30 — Anonymous (not verified)"The supply and demand model you cite implies that the market is always in short-run equilibrium. That means that this concept of demand exceeding supply simply can't exist under this view of the world."
What the hell are you talking about? You apparently skipped the courses related to imperfect markets.
"There is a model that utilizes the concept of excess demand---the Keynesian model. Hate to break it to you, but Keynesianism has fallen out of favor. I am pretty sure that it has something to do with the general consensus that it's wrong."
You mean until Greenspan stepped in front of congress and told them he was wrong and Keynsesianism does have a place?
"Profits drive businesses to expand, which creates jobs."
This is false, profits drive the expansion of dividends and salaries, DEMAND exceeding the capacity to fill it with existing labor drives the expansion of jobs.
"Profits drive businesses to
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 00:38 — Anonymous (not verified)"Profits drive businesses to expand, which creates jobs. Nothing "forces" businesses to create these jobs; it's purely profit-maximization. If there aren't profits, there aren't businesses, and therefore there aren't any jobs."
This outlook is called supply-side economics. The thought was you reduce costs to the suppliers and thus increase their profits, and they in turn will expand and create jobs, except it doesn't work that way.
They need a reason to expand production (e.g. - demand outstripping the capacity of labor force, and only then in positions which must be filled locally) or that profit goes straight into compensation for existing staff (bonuses, heavily weighted to the executive staff). Additionally, in the absence of trade barriers/stiff penalties, studies indicate 2 out of every 3 jobs created by such demand will be in nations with lower labor standards/compensation than the company's home nation.
Well, in order to give you
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 09:12 — Anonymous (not verified)Well, in order to give you an actual lecture on economics, my posts must be too long and be blocked by your oh-so-sensitive spam filter.
For a discussion of supply-side economics as real economists understand it, please refer to Lucas (1990), Feldstein (1986), and any introductory-level textbook used in a major university. You may (if you are paying attention) note that it is a concept used with government taxation (and other behaviors) in order to manipulate the incentives of agents in the macroeconomy. I haven't said a word about any of that.
I simply don't have room to give you a real explanation of the supply and demand model. However, note that in this limited-scope model, if demand outstrips supply, prices are bid upward until equilibrium is restored. There is never any incentive under the case of demand exceeding supply for businesses to expand output. Businesses expand when they see a profit opportunity. That's not supply-side economics---it's common sense. At least to a real economist.
I am through with this
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 09:19 — Anonymous (not verified)I am through with this discussion. I hope that bachelors degree is working out for you. I guess this is why universities don't let people without at least a masters in economics teach the subject.
Oh---and I love how you
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:34 — Anonymous (not verified)Oh---and I love how you spout facts without any citations. You never responded to my inability to find that article to which you referred.
Imperfect markets can only be generated in the basic demand and supply model through price ceilings and price floors. Any other form of imperfection is not captured by the model, including imperfect information and agency problems. I'm wondering what courses you skipped if you don't know that.
I'd love to see the actual quote Greenspan made. Do you actually have a citation of this? I couldn't find it on a quick Google search. I don't doubt he said something about it. Even monetarists accept that the government is free to flail about with its taxation policies. (Please note that this statement does not imply that I believe Greenspan to be a monetarist.) Keynes suggested countercyclical fiscal policy. I refer you to Taylor's 2000 article in the Journal of Economic Perspectives, in which he argues that even under the assumption that countercyclical fiscal policy can be reasonably implemented regardless of political pressures, and assuming that it actually works (which is arguably incorrect; see Perotti's 2004 working paper), the government should just let the Federal Reserve do its job and avoid discretionary changes to fiscal policy.
I've heard Rush Limbaugh
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 10:37 — nazani14 (not verified)I've heard Rush Limbaugh rave about how great "productivity" is - and his poor ignorant listeners don't understand that increased productivity means creating the same amount of product with fewer employees.
Blah blah blah, quote
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 12:17 — tyler_durden (not verified)Blah blah blah, quote economics as if it were a science all you want. It's speculation nothing more or less. The article is 100% correct and for simple reasons.
If I don't have a job, I don't have money to spend. Without money I cannot buy things that somebody with a job made. If nobody buys that thing, there's no need to keep him around and now there's two of us out of work without money to spend. Any of you "college educated" economics pinheads picking up a trend?
Throw models and theories and halfassed jabs at other posters' education all you want but all you're showing off is how much money you pissed away on smugness and self congratulation.
Sepp writes: "Give everyone,
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 13:10 — JosephHill (not verified)Sepp writes:
"Give everyone, and I mean EVERYONE, a basic income on which to survive. The money is available. We can spend it for war, we can spend it to bail out the banks, why can't we spend it to guarantee a decent life for everyone?"
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This is what used to be called a "Guaranteed Annual Income". It was proposed by (of all people!) Richard Nixon. I've never admitted to agreeing with Nixon on ANYthing; but we'd be so much better off (politically, economically and culturally) if this proposal had passed.
Edward Bellamy fans will recognize this as very similar to the model he used in his novel "Looking Backward". High school students should be required to read Bellamy's book--along with the works of other "utopians" and socialists--just to spur imagination, creativity and critical thinking skills in a generation conditioned to accept the world as it is, rather than how it might be.
"Throw models and theories
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 13:16 — JosephHill (not verified)"Throw models and theories and halfassed jabs at other posters' education all you want but all you're showing off is how much money you pissed away on smugness and self congratulation."
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AMEN to that....let's not let a discussion of serious issues deteriorate into a game of 'dueling resumes'.
"Imperfect markets can only
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 14:04 — Anonymous (not verified)"Imperfect markets can only be generated in the basic demand and supply model through price ceilings and price floors"
Spoken like a classic "academic idiot", e.g. someone who is so cloistered in their theories they wouldn't see practical application if it spat in their face.
Almost all markets are imperfect, and if you opted for those courses on the hows and whys behind it you might understand economics as a discipline.
The people reviewing your thesis, whatever hack job it is, will rip you to pieces with the simplistic outlook you have.. unless of course they're paid by the heritage foundation to let you through so you can do their bidding on TV. I can't tell you how many so called "Ph.D.'s" were raving over the past 2 years about how the fed's loose policies would cause inflation of all things! You remind me of those people, eminently unqualified.
"Oh---and I love how you
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 14:08 — Anonymous (not verified)"Oh---and I love how you spout facts without any citations. You never responded to my inability to find that article to which you referred."
If you can't find an article in which stiglitz offers constructive and potent criticism of supply side economics, I question the veracity of your claims to be studying economics at all.
This was a whole chapter in one of his texts.
For the Ph.D.
Mon, 11/15/2010 - 16:53 — Drache (not verified)For the Ph.D. candidate,
"Profits drive businesses to expand, which creates jobs. Nothing "forces" businesses to create these jobs; it's purely profit-maximization. If there aren't profits, there aren't businesses, and therefore there aren't any jobs."
You left out one important part. If there is no demand, there aren't any profits. Furthermore, even a business, realizing profits, is not going to expand without demand, to further increase profits. That's the whole point of this piece.
I will admit to taking jabs
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 03:11 — Anonymous (not verified)I will admit to taking jabs at this person's slightly-better-than-mediocre education. But at least I never resorted to name-calling. I was apparently "riffraff" before (s)he ever heard any of my arguments. It's kind of sad, really: that kind of behavior is really indicative of compensation for an underlying lack of self-confidence.
If my status is such that I do not deserve the degree I am so close to obtaining, it calls into question the value of the degrees of the professors who believe I am, in fact, worthy of the degree. Does this then imply that their universities and professors were wrong in awarding them their degrees, and the Federal Reserve incorrect (in the case of two of my committee members) in respecting them enough to employ them? Following this line of reasoning, one must eventually reach the conclusion that the entirety of the field of Economics in its modern form as an academic social science is completely invalid. That would invalidate his/her degree as well, wouldn't it? Not to mention, the status of his/her university as a Research I facility is meaningless if (s)he isn't engaging in research.
I confess that I have made a mistake in choosing to stand as a lone dissenter in a field so populated with members of the opposing worldview. But it really doesn't matter. I will close up shop here and return to the academic world in which my views are the norm, and you will collectively forget about me and return to the land of your own worldview in which you agree with each others' beliefs. We will implicitly agree to disagree.
My ability to explain fully
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 03:12 — Anonymous (not verified)My ability to explain fully any of the concepts to which I referred was greatly hampered by the well-meaning spam filter on this discussion board. I do believe that some of my statements were misconstrued to be incorrect when they were, in fact, incomplete. The simplicity of the models I invoked was more to facilitate intuition rather than illustrate the true models underlying my system of beliefs. My dissertation uses models of heterogeneity to endogenously generate the price stickiness typically imposed exogenously in New Keynesian dynamic stochastic general equilibrium models. Ex-post heterogeneity created through Markov transition processes creates market imperfection. I'm quite certain none of you care about that, and calling on such models to explain phenomena that we observe in the real world is counterproductive when the goal is to demonstrate intuition.
We labor to produce the
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 09:23 — HG (not verified)We labor to produce the wealth we desire, either directly or through the exchange of the product of our labor for the products of others. Thus commerce allows us to transform our labor into the other forms of wealth which only cooperation and the division of labor can provide. The only impediment to the effective demand of the majority of the population is that which obstructs labor's ability to produce and thus exchange with other producers. There is always demand. But where is the supply when laborers all over the world are denied access to the main factor of production, which is, surprise, land. The cause of all our economic woes is the institution of private property of land which foments land speculation which creates an artificial scarcity of land and an unsustainable cost of production. The solution is simple. Tax transfer of all public taxes onto land values. All explained in Progress and Poverty by Henry George.
I realized I also fell
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 09:24 — Anonymous (not verified)I realized I also fell victim to the fallacy of assuming a level of pre-existing knowledge of the most basic assumptions on which Economics is based. Concepts such as utility maximization, the invisible hand principle, and the desirability of efficient outcomes in a positive (as opposed to normative) context are second-nature to someone who, like myself, has studied Economics for somewhere in the neighborhood of ten years (if one is to count Advanced-Placement [AP] courses during high school). Being surrounded on a daily basis by people who also take these and other fundamental assumptions as given has made me lax in my explanations.
HG: 1. "...the main factor
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:27 — Anonymous (not verified)HG:
1. "...the main factor of production...land": Land, in its purest form, and abstracting from fertile land versus lower-quality land, has existed for much longer than humans who were able to utilize it. Without people, there is no "economy" as it is typically defined (the first sentence of the Wikipedia article "Economy" gives a fairly good definition). Thus I would argue that labor is the foremost factor of production, though really without all of the factors of production, very little production would be possible. It's also worthwhile to point out that economic units such as Hong Kong and Japan have relatively high output (as measured by the standard of gross domestic product, GDP) with relatively low natural allocations of land.
2. "The cause of all our
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:29 — Anonymous (not verified)2. "The cause of all our economic woes is the institution of private property of land...": From "Macroeconomics: Private and Public Choice," by Gwartney, Stroup, Sobel, and Macpherson (13th edition, 2008): "Clearly defined and enforced private property rights are a key to economic progress because of the powerful incentive effects that private ownership generates. ...In his book The Mystery of Capital, economist Hernando de Soto argues that the lack of well-defined and enforced property rights explains why some underdeveloped countries (despite being market based) have made little economic progress." (pp 33, 36) They continue on page 46: "Alternatively, an economic system in which the government also owns the income-producing assets (machines, buildings, and land) and directly determines what goods will be produced is called socialism."
3. "...which creates an
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 12:29 — Anonymous (not verified)3. "...which creates an artificial scarcity of land...": Again from Gwartney et al (2008), page 5: "[A good] is still scarce as long as there is not as much of it freely available from nature as we would all like. ...In economics, we...refrain from using the term [scarcity] to refer to the relative availability or abundance of a good or resource."
4. "...transfer of all public taxes onto land values.": If *all* taxes were transferred in this way, regardless of any incentive effects it may induce both at the agent level (firms, consumers) and at the government level, there wouldn't be any tax revenue left to fund certain things such as national defense, physical infrastructure (such as roads), or education. (The last two could arguably be provided by the private sector, but in the U.S. the tradition has been that the government provides most of these types of goods/services.)
The lead author of the text which I have cited repeatedly in this argument is recognized as the lead developer of the Economic Freedom of the World Index, a widely-used measure of the freedom of institutions and policies in most nations of the world. This book was the most basic macroeconomic text I had readily at hand.
And my final comment (though
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:40 — Anonymous (not verified)And my final comment (though given my previous statement that I was through with this discussion, the credibility of my commitment to quit arguing the nature of reality with you folks is probably reasonably called into question): Sir/Madam, that is, the argumentative college graduate, why do you demonstrate such distaste, distrust, and venom toward the university system and holders of higher degrees in general? The vehemence with which you have constructed your insults, not only toward me, but toward the field of Economics and the higher educational system, seems to imply to me some kind of embitterment. You seem to have a lack of curiosity toward the phenomena you observe, and instead of asking questions of those who are regarded to be better-educated than yourself in an attempt to understand their arguments (and why these arguments are so widely accepted), you make rash generalizations that tend to defy the rules of logic and the accepted order of the world. Is this a result of your upbringing, lack of acceptance by your peers, a general lack of self-confidence? Were you rejected by a graduate school from which you felt you deserved acceptance? I sincerely hope that one day you can make peace with the world.
There is a phenomenon that I
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:43 — Anonymous (not verified)There is a phenomenon that I have never seen attempted to be explained by any model, and that is: Why is it that some people prefer to believe certain types of information, despite the proliferation of evidence that these statements are incorrect? Under what circumstances would someone continue to argue in favor of policies that can be demonstrated qualitatively and, often, quantitatively, to impact him or her negatively in expectation? Information is costly to acquire, which explains the rational ignorance effect; however, this refers to a conscious choice to remain uninformed, rather than persistence in beliefs that can be corrected to match reality with fairly low costs. A model that could explain this observed phenomenon would have applications to politics, religion, education, and probably several other areas of interest in Economics.
To argue that there is a
Tue, 11/16/2010 - 16:43 — Anonymous (not verified)To argue that there is a tradeoff between additional benefits and costs and ethical practice simply demonstrates value in one's utility function for fairness or some other measure of social standards. But to argue that an idea is true when it has been decisively proven to be false by experts and mathematics/science...I fail to understand that. An article published in the New York Times in August 2005 reported that a researcher at Northwestern University conducted a study, the results of which indicate that, statistically speaking, 1 in 5 adult Americans believes that the sun revolves around the Earth, despite the fact that the geocentric model of the universe has been discarded by the scientific community at least since 1631, when Kepler successfully predicted the transit of Venus based on a heliocentric model with elliptical planetary orbits. Other theorists rejected the geocentric view even earlier than this. These days, even the heliocentric model has been rejected by those who study physics and astronomy, but at least the heliocentric view describes the Earth and all of the planets as orbiting the sun, which is an indisputable fact. Given that elementary education is mandatory in the United States, the information that the Earth revolves around the sun should be inexpensive for most people to obtain. Yet...this study concludes that 20% of Americans persist in their belief of a geocentric universe. Why? I do not have an explanation, nor do I have an explanation for why some people choose to believe false claims regarding economic data.