Moore DEM TALK! Fooled AGAIN!! FOOL!!!

I like Mike . . . and was even on the Democratic Executive Council in my county for years; but in my mind it's "way too little, way too late." I'm not the forgiving sort when it comes to the bastards that have screwed up my country so completely.

And besides, I have zero reason to believe either Democrats or Republicans. They've both proved beyond any doubt that they are Fascists supporting their Corporate masters.

I'll vote for somebody with the good taste to not put either a "D" or an "R" after their name, and if there isn't anyone in that category I'll write in "None of the Above."

I'm with Michael Moore 100%. Demand action and hold lawmakers' feet to the fire! But I have to tell you, cynical as I am about the political system, I believe what Obama has done since he swore the oath is nothing short of a miracle. Sure, he could have been more progressive but, no matter how hard you wish, you can't turn an oil tanker around on a dime. You have to work WITH the system. I believe Obama is a GENIUS! He knows how to get things done. And Pelosi and Reid have been fantastic partners in the scheme to regain the moral high ground that is required in a democratic country. That's why they're all getting lambasted by the right! It's not because they're all inept... it's because they have foiled the Party of No time and time again! Obama's genius is all about TIMING. He doesn't show his hand until the time is right. That's what frustrates the progressives. But he knows that the short-term memory of the electorate and the 24 hour news cycle can undo good works if they are done too soon. So, patience, my brothers and sisters! Obama has another 6 years to turn this country into a country we can all be proud of. A country where ordinary people have a shot at a good life - not just the prospect of living and dying as "working poor" and not just slaves to the corporate state!

Michael Moore is correct. This nation was too Patient and Trusting, and allowed Bush to take us to a senseless war..not once but twice.. over Lies. We stood back and watched this country go downhill in every way and did nothing to stop the free fall. Bush, Cheney and his cabal took this country to the very brink of a collapse even worse than the Great Depression, turning us into a Debtor Nation in the span of that Eight Horrible Years.

Yet, people are willing to throw President Obama to the wolves purely because he has not cleaned up that Mess..the Mess that the Republicans made in Eight Years..in less than a Two Year span. What is wrong with you folks ? Are your memories all that short ? The only salvation we have is to get behind our President..the one that we elected, fair and square..unlike the preceding one.

Give him the Majority of Democrats in the House and the Senate, so he won't have to go into battle with his hands tied by a NO No No Republican Senate that knows that if Obama were allowed to do what he wants to do, they would not have a snowballs chance in Hell of taking back this government..not after the Mess they did to it over the past Bush Administrations..including adding to what the Bush Elder started and was not able to finish...thanks to President Clinton.

Have you really forgotten what harm the Bush Presidency brought us ? You know that the Republicans do not have the best interests of the average people at heart..they are a Party that has always been the Elites Best Friend. So stand behind this Democrat President and support him all the way. What have you got to lose ? You have the ability to save this nation from being lost forever. What do you want...a Fascist government... or a Democratic country that is of the people, by the people and for the people ? Vote Democrat all the way. Give Obama the Help he needs. He cannot do it alone !

You poor, poor ignorant fools. Obama isn't cleaning up Junior's mess and he's not going to. The only thing Obama is trying to do is finish the job that Junior started for him. If Obama is allowed to continue we may very well not see a 45th president. He's not interested in freedom in the least. His "change" is socialism and we will not permit him to finish it. The Cuban people did not see Fidel Castro for what he was until it was too late, and they were astonished to discover that he is a communist. Do not make the same mistake with Obama. If socialism and worse is really what you want to see come to this country and roost for good then God help you.

Gee, it's so wonderful to see the DemocRATS getting tough on those nasty banksters, but it's just a bit of window dressing for the masses. You want to know how different Obomba is from Bulsh, why don't you ask the Iraqis or the Afghans? For them, the increased drone attacks and the construction of huge permanent war bases don't appear to be the change they would like to believe in. Mr. Moore does not even mention the murderous wars of occupation that the Obomba "adminstration" continues to escalate; it's as if they do not exist! The real rulers of this country, the shadow government, will continue to pull the strings of the puppet in oval office, be it a RepubliCON or a DemocRAT.

I consider your films passionate and guided by an appropriate moral compass, but lacking a well informed philosophy of power systems. This perception is strengthened by the “Dems Come Alive” email below, wherein you recommend superficial changes at best, in combination with serving up marketing propaganda for state-corporate greed on a silver platter and actual harm to our nation as follows: 
 
* Stop the foreclosures!  While this may provide temporary relief to some homeowners, it can serve to increase corporate power and profits in the future and is a great marketing tool, so limited reductions are likely if Dems agree secretly to pass beneficial laws for financial firms in exchange for some Dem protection in the mid-terms.  This is exactly what I would advise former my former financial firm clients to support as an exec consultant.  The notion that JPM execs are “feeling the heat” appears dangerously disconnected from critical success factors in reforming the economy, placing the goal of reform at substantial risk.

* Prosecute the banks and Wall Street and war profiteer corps! – This is not feasible given the judicial status of corporations in the U.S., funding realities of the corporate political party, and I think you suspect or know this.  In addition, if the Obama administration is not only not going to prosecute, but is actually going to protect perps of mass genocide, torture, kidnapping, and other international crimes and continue to commit them themselves, there appears no justification for the belief less serious crimes involving financial rape of the country could be motivated by the same organizations and administrations who have prospered so well by committing them.  If a plausible scenario exists which could make the
prosecution recommendation plausible, I’ve never encountered it, and I would challenge you to cite one, or provide any justification this recommendation is reasonable or productive.

* Remind the public 24/7 who created the mess!  Your email is a bit vague on “who” these creators are, but the fact that anyone in the situation of corporate and regulatory decision makers would likely reach the same rational solutions remains unacknowledged in your piece, and thus amounts to advocating another ineffective, and at this stage ineffective quick fix.  Your recommendation plays an easy blame game which ignores complex structural causes that help explain why the mess occurred: as a result of systemic causes.  Focusing on who, diverts attention from productive solutions that require understanding the structures that caused it, not the players who act rationally within that structure.  The temporary conditions to which these enduring structures like state capitalist corporations, react seem important to consider secondarily for understanding this particular crisis sufficiently before we can develop good recommendations, don’t you agree? 
* Announce a real jobs program!  Generally a good idea, but such a program would of necessity have to be acceptable to business by including low wages, subsidized work (in miserable jobs, not building green energy for example) that can be used to drive down worker wages generally and increase insecurity.  It is not realistic to expect this administration to
commit political suicide over principles no one will understand as corporate interests largely control what people know.

* Promise not to take Wall Street's dirty money!  This will almost certainly be implemented since promises are what politicians specialize in, and they cost nothing (and typically deliver the same).  Such promises appear unlikely in the extreme to be of any value other than political marketing. 
* Win the election! Obviously this is a top priority for any candidate, but a more militant approach than encouraging electoral wins appears the only historical means for average citizens to win concessions from elite power – although counter-examples are theoretically possible.  Recent history suggests that deceptively obtained support from constituents will overwhelmingly be the norm, because it is so much more efficient.

We must ensure that optimizing efficiency only occurs within the bounds of sustainability, non-violence, justice, and cooperation.  My assessment (and that of others) is that this is not achievable prior to the next collapse, during which survival will become the main priority for large percentages of the population.  A dedicated national effort similar in scope to the
Apollo Program, starting with a Constitutional Amendment governing and prohibiting illegitimate “rights” awarded Corporations appears the only plausible option from within “the system” to avoid catastrophic failure within the next decade, IMO.  Revolutions are horrific affairs, and we must do as much as possible to avoid the atrocities they unleash.

My apologies for any errors…and appreciation for your consideration of the analysis.
 

OMG, I just watched the trailer for "Budrus", it was beautiful and very moving, it had me in tears and I still have goosebumps. What brave people.

A political party that can't get anything done while holding the White House along with both houses of Congress is either incompetent, or isn't trying.

Considering the successes of Republicans, both in their time as the majority party during the Cheney regime as well as in their time now as the minority party, it isn't clear to me that the Democrats are really trying to achieve the goals they say they are trying to achieve.

"They're not as bad as the Republicans", even if true, is not good enough to get my vote. If that is good enough reason to get Democrats a majority of votes, then "not as bad as the Republicans" is all this country is likely to get from their elected officials.

Democrats either need the votes of the more progressive voters among us, or they don't. If they want those votes, then they must pay more attention to, and pay attention to more progressive interests. They don't own those votes. They don't get them for free. They've got to work for them, just like the Republicans, or anyone else must do to get votes.

Jim Senter, I am part of the democratic base too, and I am responsible for only my vote too. I still say vote like your life depends on it because it does. Every non vote or protest vote or whatever, is a vote for the teapubs. I do not want that, do you? So fer gawds sake vote. AND take another dem with you to the polls. VOTE!

I have my voter's packet in the mail, and I have to say, "a non-vote is a vote for the Republicans"??

Are you kidding me? There are Republicans running unopposed, Democrats who opposed opening up Medicare and supported billions more for Afghanistan. Then there's a big ad about how I should vote if I'm a woman because this is a centennial celebration of suffrage.

Oh really? So who do I cast my vote for as a woman and a mother? For the Democrat who would send my kid to Afghanistan to die for oil? Or for the Republican who knows the health care plan is total shit, but would deny my child health care if they had a pre-existing condition, because doing so is the *glory* of Randianesque freedom from corporate regulation?

Please don't lecture this mom on how I'M responsible if the tea party moves in. Taking your fucking Democratic Party lecture and shove it where the sun in your brain never shines.

Interesting that the High Poopah Democrats were so alarmed by Al Greene running for election (My God What Right Does An Unemployed Man Have to 10,000 Dollars???) while they don't even care about Republicans running unopposed in elections across the country.

Democratic Party politics in America. Swing to the left to get elected. For example, tell America, if they want to get out of Iraq, to vote the Democrats into Congress.

Americans go out and vote a Democratic Congress in.

Congress passes more money for more war. But. The presidential elections are coming:

"Hey America, we can really do it, but you'll have to give us a Democratic President, too."

Hillary Clinton sees an opportunity.

Enter Barack Obama, who sees a bigger one.

Americans tear each other's throats apart over whether it will the first woman or the first African American. The women's movement becomes more divided than ever; enter the far right, via Sarah Palin, invited by kindly old man, John McCain.

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Enter stylish Obamas after very convincing *people's* campaign and compelling personal narrative well publicized through a number of books and videos that put Coca Cola's masterpieces to shame ...

Medicare for all? Are you kidding me? With the Democrats in Power?

A peacetime economy? Are you kidding me? With the Democrats in power?

A Jobs Program? Are you kidding me? With the Democrats in power?

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jahf, the problem with your logic is that if the Democrats don't get your vote, the rapacious Republicans DO get your vote for free. It sucks but that's how it works right now.