I'm pro-Kcinich generally, but "longer than any other [American] war"?

The Vietnam war ran officially from November 1, 1955 to April 30, 1975--nearly 20 years.

It's reasonable to view the Second World War as a continuation of the First.

The point being that this long and futile conflict is hardly without precedent.

The important thing is that, like the Vietnam conflict, and in sharp contrast to WWII and preceding conflicts, the Afghan war has no serious objective of augmenting the U.S. empire.

Rather, its primary purpose is to defend the domestic political ascendancy of our thoroughly inernationalized and unpatriotic ruling class.

But as he "angles" to "stop" the Obamanible Bush Wars, just like with DEM Health DEFORM; at the last moment; Kucinich will CAVE like Osama!

Karzai rules through "crony capitalism"? Sounds a lot like Bush/Cheney. So what's yer point?

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was in an imposter?

huh???

Well, we are there to protect the oil and the pipeline thru Afghan.
Hamid Karzai is an oil exc and was appointed by Bush/Cheney, and he knows nothing about running a country, he was put there to make sure the pipeline gets completed for Big oil Cartel, and to make sure China don't get their road pushed through and so they can build their own pipeline, so they can grab some of that oil that everyone wants.
Everything in that area is to exploit the oil resources and keep China from getting it,and our troops are dying and being mutilated for that, and no other reason.

That is why we can't leave that section of the world, as the minute we leave, China will push their road through and get their own pipeline laid to get their share of the vast oil in all those Stan countries.

We should have started Re-newable energy a long time ago so we wouldn't have to make war to protect Exxon/Mobile, while they suck the resources from that area, and suck the money and lives from the American people. It is all for Profits regardless of the costs of lives and Taxpayer $$.
I agree with Denis, we should leave and let China have it.
We then spend the money we save to rebuild our infrastructure and put Solar panels and Wind machines up to furnish the electricity we need.

Growing Hemp and using it for an alternative fuel is a lot cleaner and cheaper.

The current meltdown depression started during Reaguns term and has been allowed to run due to the FEDs separation from the branches of the Government.
No president controls the FED and none will. They are at the mercy of the Rothschild and Rockefeller families and will always be...they own this country and the lesser Billionaires are just small time flies in the ointment comared to the FEDs work to control the economies of the world through the worlds Central Banks.

The Vietnam "war" did not run from 1955 to 1975. Yes our involvement in Vietnam started 1955 with advisors. We did not begin active combat mission in Vietnam until well after that. The other side of this is the Vietnam war was never declared a war. While the US did declare war on Afganistan.

You attempt to say the WWII was just an extension of WWI sshows your ignorance of the first and second world wars. Just because the were both in europe does not mean they were the same war. Get it right please.

I supported DK, gave money - what a farce. at best Dennis is a relief valve.

sorry - DK is just another ineffective congressional lifer

keep flushing until the water runs clear

When??? When will people realize that these are ALL FOR A LOT OF PROFIT WARS??? When are people going to see the truth with their own logic? Or have people completely lost the ability to think logically? Obama, Bush, Clinton, so on... are following their leaders. Sell war at ANY cost. It has always been about money. Go back and revisit Eisenhauer's advise to Kennedy. Over and over and over and people seem to just refuse to understand it. Congress, The Supreme, The White House, they are ALL serving the Big War Machine. The entire Media is in their hands. It is just too much money and we all know power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They HAVE absolote power now. We will not be at the table with them, EVER! They don't care about "We, The People". We the People is We, the Corporations! They laugh about us! They laugh at us! What will it take for all to WAKE UP???

Starting the clock on America's war in Afghanistan is quixotic. Does it start during the counter-insurgency phase of the anti-Soviet campaign when we were funding the terrorist-freedom fighters? Or October of 2001. Or did it rally start with Gulf War I? I would say that it is the US longest conflict by a mile. We have been at war in the Middle East since the sixties manoeuvring to get a one-up on the people who live there and our hook into their natural resources.

Re: Thu, 11/25/2010 - 00:25 — Rob Moitoza (not verified)

"....Dennis should have been president, but corporations wouldn't allow it, so we got Obama... who has basically sold us all out to corporations."

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Right-on comment!!.

btw-The Huffington Post mods are not letting many of my comments critical of Obama through much any more. The ones where I bash Republicans are sailing through.

Dennis K. is a sane voice. But loud voices (or noises) that tell lies many times cause the drumbeat that drowns the sane voices and dopes the common masses who have no time to do research and find the truth.

The Fakery Started on September 11, 2001, when the THREE skyscrapers (including World Trade Center 7) were demolished before our eyes and then a transparently FAKE story about a FAKE organization was provided to fool the American people into supporting and pursuing an ultimately futile and self-defeating program of military aggression against Muslims. Without the Soviet Union to kick around anymore, the military and arms manufacturers needed a new "threat" to American hegemony and so supplied one in the form of hostile Muslims. Until 9/11 is thoroughly investigated by a disinterested (NOT bi-partisan) commission, the United States will be doomed to spend trillions of dollars and countless lives chasing phantom enemies to the enrichment of the already wealthy and powerful.

Obama is an impostor,a faux populist,a chameleon.He started flipping before the election,why I voted Nader.I can't stomach Obama when he speaks anymore,just like bush,I must mute the audio, change channels.

When? when is the question.The plutocracy throws bones,but wages haven't risen since the 70's,our standard of living is lowering,people can't own homes.Unemployment means higher profits for the corporations.Obama,Congress are on board with outsourcing US jobs.Our justice system,and government agencies are badly broken.The FED was in on the financial melt down,now pumps billions more into the derivative parasites, who drives prices up on our necessities.Our Supreme Court is a corporate strong hold.This nation serves the top 2% screw the rest.America is going down.

Its interesting to read once again that Afghanistan has secret oil reserves and a strategic pipeline that the US covets.

Afghanistan is utterly bereft of natural resources of any value to the west, you fools. Indeed, it is the only large inhabited country in the world without a RAILROAD across its terrain. I've been there. If you try to cross
from Iran to Pakistan you have to fly or take
a bus or hitch-hike. Not recommended, BTW

Once and for all: no oil, no oil pipeline, no precious metals or rare earths. Nothing. zip.
Except angry ragheads.
Stop the lies please.

Connard

“I cannot think of a time when we have had a region emerge as suddenly
to become as strategically significant as the Caspian. But the oil and
gas there is worthless until it is moved. The only route which makes
both political and economic sense is through Afghanistan.”

...--- Dick Cheney, Chief Executive of Halliburton (1998)

My memory of DK is of about five years old, when, during a State of the Union address, he snuck up behind Bush, whispered in his ear, then shared a big hug. I say he is the "token" liberal, the one they allow to skirt certain issues, because they know he is the wrong messenger and no one takes him seriously. It's a shame that Truth Out is bothering to run anything he says, he is a shill.

Again with the strategic importance of Afghanistan! Cheney and Halliburton will tell
any lies to rationalize their occupation of the Middle East and near South Asia, but can't invent a pipeline or a rationale for sending Caspian sea oil southeast across Afghanistan to.. to where? Pakistan? China? India? Why?
The Baku-Ceyhan pipeline was/is the west's answer to the Soviet lock on Caspian resources. Look at a map- then check out the facts about oil and gas exports. The idea of building a pipeline across an ungovernable failed state?
http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/caspgase.html

OFFEND, Mr. Kucinich, OFFEND.. If only Mr. Obama had the courage and savvy to OFFEND our corporate, military, and political wealth establishment.
For the United States the momentum of world moral and economic leadership from WW II and the Cold War is fast fading. Our course in maintaining several wars and poor domestic economic policies does not bode well for the United States. I had hoped that our regressive national policies based on the past would receive the shock of the NEW and be replaced by forward looking policies that would reestablish our global leadership on all fronts, including and especially in the establishment of peace in the world. Our attention must be focused on the pressing problems of survival and happiness of the human species and the mystery of life and civilization itself. Thank you Mr. Kucinich and keep being OFFENSIVE. Peace.

I think it a stretch to say that US fighting in Viet Nam started in 1955. The broader point, though is that AFghanistan has become another Viet Nam in terms of US bog down. I sthought when the Viet Nam conflict ended that we would never do that again. HOw wrong I was. How short sighted or greedy or whatever people are. Thank you people of the US who voted for GW bush. Thanks a lot. Now we have real pickel. Depression and endless war. A sinking dependence on oil and the highest per captita incarceration rate in the world. Good going.

Dennis K. speaks the truth, but alone he cannot change American politics anymore than Obama can. It is not politicians who must become actively engaged in making change happen, it's the masses. You, and me. And until we're ready to commit to that fact nothing will change, no matter who we elect.

Josh from NC (Nov 25 post) is right. The world is being run by a handful of families who run the military industrial and pharmaceutical complexes. They are the New World Order, and they don't care about "the people". The people are simply a resource to generate more wealth for them. They control the people through propaganda spread by the political parties and through the Matrix created by the media. And we let them, because we have been seduced by empty appeals to our basest natures; by appeals to our laziness, our egos, our greed, our selfishness, and our in security. That's the bald truth. When we're ready to deal with it, the world will change and not one minute before then.

We should never have invaded afghanistan, and occupying it is a horrible idea.

The land was lawless and generally undefended, and remains so today. The invasion was nothing more than a massive warning to terrorists and criminals, giving them time to scatter and dig in.

The proper way to deal with terrorism there is with surgical strikes and infiltration operations more resembling what the DEA does than the regular infantry. You will not defeat what basically is a global organized crime network by playing fair; they must be ambushed while their guard is down.

It feels good to read a commentary like this but it is lost in the rhetoric we hear on TV and in the media. It's like blowing in the wind, means nothing, goes 'round and 'round, does not good or harm. The peons are distracted with football, baseball and the internet while Rome/Democracy burns and Congress is playing the lute.

Dear Edvin: Perhaps OFFEND is not Dennis's way. He should definitely EMBARRASS, however. SHAME on the warmongers, the REAL evildoers.

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