Don't Cut Social Security, DOUBLE It
Wednesday 13 October 2010
by: Steven Hill, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis
In the aftermath of the Great Recession, a debate over Social Security is heating up. This debate raises fundamental questions about what kind of society in which Americans wish to live. So far, the debate has been between those deficit busters who say Social Security must be trimmed back to reduce government indebtedness and others who want to maintain it as is.
But the New America Foundation just released a study that I authored that proposes a different approach: doubling the current Social Security payout and making it a true national retirement system. Creating a more robust system of "Social Security Plus" not only would be good for American retirees, but also would be good for the greater macro economy.
Here's the dilemma that the US faces. Since WW II, retirement has been conceived as a "three-legged stool," with the three legs being Social Security, pensions and personal savings centered around homeownership. But, today, most private sector employers have quit providing pensions, and state and local government's public pensions are drastically underfunded.
Also See: Dick Meister | Hands Off Social Security!
In addition, a collapsed housing and stock market, combined with increased inequality even before the Great Recession, have drastically reduced Americans' personal savings. In short, the "retirement stool" no longer is stable and secure, and suddenly Social Security, which always has been viewed as a supplement to private savings, is the only leg left for hundreds of millions of Americans.
Studies show that people in the bottom two income quartiles depend on Social Security for 84 percent of their retirement income, and even the second-richest quartile depends on Social Security for 55 percent of its retirement income. Only the richest 25 percent of Americans don't rely heavily on Social Security.
But the real problem with Social Security is not, as its critics say, that it is underfunded. Contrary to gloomy predictions, the program is on solid financial footing, with the Congressional Budget Office projecting that Social Security can pay all scheduled benefits out of its own tax revenue stream through at least 2037.
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The bigger problem is that Social Security's payout is so meager, which is problematic since it has been thrust into this new role as a de facto national retirement plan. Currently, it replaces only about 33 to 40 percent of a worker's average wage from the year prior to retirement (compared to Germany, where it replaces 70 percent). That is simply not enough money to live on when it is your primary - perhaps your only - source of retirement income.
Doubling Social Security's individual payout would cost about $650 billion annually for the 51 million Americans who receive benefits. Here are some ways to pay for it.
First, lift Social Security's payroll cap that favors the wealthy. Currently, Social Security only taxes wages up to $106,800 a year, and any income earned above that is not taxed. The net result is that poor, middle-class and even moderately upper middle-class Americans are taxed 12.4 percent (split between employee and employer) on 100 percent of their income, but the wealthy pay a much lower percentage. Millionaire bankers effectively pay a paltry 1.2 percent.
Making all income levels pay the same percentage - that's how Medicare works - is popular with Americans and would raise about $377 billion.
Second, with all Americans receiving Social Security Plus, employer-based pensions would be redundant, so businesses no longer would need the substantial federal deductions they currently receive for providing employees' retirement plans. These deductions total a whopping $126 billion annually.
Those two alone would provide three-fourths of the revenue needed to double Social Security's payout. Other possible revenue streams exist, such as reducing or eliminating other unfair deductions in the tax code, which currently allow the top 20 percent of income earners to reap generous deductions that most low- and moderate-income Americans cannot enjoy. These include deductions for private retirement savings, homeownership, health care and education. For example, individuals who have enough income to divert for savings or investment are allowed considerable tax deductions for their 401(k)s, IRAs and pensions. Similarly, the homeownership deduction for mortgage interest only benefits people with sufficient income to buy a home. But the poor and working class rarely can take advantage of these since they don't make enough to itemize deductions.
These personal deductions were enacted by Congress in part as a means to incentivize savings. While a certain number of moderate-income Americans benefit from these, if we enacted Social Security Plus they would no longer need to rely on these deductions as vehicles for retirement savings. Instead of buying a home as part of their retirement plan - which, as we have seen, is a risky investment - they could put their money into Social Security Plus. In 2010, the mortgage interest deduction alone will amount to about $108 billion.
We also could implement this in stages, targeting first those who are most in need. We also could allow active seniors who have not yet reached full retirement age to take a half pension and work at half time without losing their right to a full pension upon their retirement.
An expansion of Social Security - one of the most successful and popular social programs in American history, currently celebrating its 75th year - would be good for the macro economy as well because it would act as an "automatic stabilizer" during economic downturns, keeping money in retirees' pockets and stimulating consumer demand. Benefits would be portable when changing from one job to another.
It also would help American businesses trying to compete with foreign companies that don't provide pensions to their employees, since those countries already have generous national retirement plans. And it would be broadly fair, since even those higher income Americans who are losing their tax deductions would see part of it returned to them in the form of a greater Social Security payout.
In short, Social Security Plus would provide a stable, secure retirement for every American and contribute greatly toward a solid foundation from which to build a strong and vibrant 21st century US economy.
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Hands Off Social Security!
By Dick Meister, t r u t h o u t | Op-Ed
Republican leaders in Congress would have us believe that most Americans support cutting Social Security and Medicare payments as a way to cut the federal budget deficit. But don't you believe it.
As the AFL-CIO and other labor sources have discovered, that's at best a figment of the Republican imagination. Or, as is most likely, it's a bald-faced, political lie.
The proof came in a poll marking the 75th anniversary of Social Security this year. It was conducted by a prominent research organization, Greenberg Quilan Rosner, and commissioned by the nation's leading public employee unions, the Service Employees International and American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, joined by MoveOn.org and the Campaign for America's Future.
The poll was in response to Republican House Leader John Boehner's call for reducing the federal budget deficit by raising the Social Security retirement age to 70, while continuing President Bush's massive tax breaks for multibillion-dollar corporations and wealthy individuals.
Boehner got ready agreement from the Republican co-chairman of the presidential budget deficit commission, former Sen. Alan Simpson of Wyoming. Simpson described those opposing budget cuts as "greedy geezers," and low-income Americans generally as "lesser people." Simpson, appointed co-chairman by President Obama, says Social Security "is like a milk cow with 310 million tits."
Unfortunately, Republicans are not alone in their attacks on Social Security. Several key Democrats, including some of Obama's Democratic appointees to the budget deficit commission, also support raising the retirement age.
Mike Hall, a major AFL-CIO spokesman, sees the commission as " just a front group to cut Social Security."
It would make much more sense, of course, to reduce the deficit by increasing taxes on the wealthy at least to the level they were before Bush's tax cuts, rather than do it by raising the retirement age and making other financial cutbacks that hurt low- and middle-income Americans.
So, what did the poll show?
Most Democrats and independents responding wanted to end the Bush tax cuts that, if not repealed, will increase the deficit by an estimated $3.1 trillion over the next decade and reduce government revenue by more than $650 billion. That, obviously, would greatly curtail Social Security and other government programs for poor and middle-class Americans.
It shouldn't surprise anyone that most of the Republicans polled did not want to repeal the tax cuts and, thus, help government provide more services to those who need them, often badly need them.
Nevertheless, nearly 70 percent of the probable voters polled, whatever their political party, opposed cutting Social Security and Medicare to reduce the deficit.
What's more, two-thirds of the Republicans also opposed raising the retirement age, despite their general dislike of the Social Security system. Raising the retirement age from 67 to 70 obviously would greatly curtail Social Security and other government programs designed to help poor and middle-class Americans. But that apparently didn't disturb many of the Republicans polled. Most of them did not want to repeal the tax cuts under any circumstance.
The AFL-CIO concluded - and quite accurately, I think - that "those conservative politicians who want to use concern about deficits as an opening to go after Social Security or Medicare risk a backlash" from voters.
The poll made clear that relatively few people are buying the Republican claims that Social Security and Medicare outlays are a major cause of the continuing federal budget deficit. Too many people have too much sense to believe that.
But what did sensible voters see as the main causes of the deficit?
Nearly half of those polled blamed the costs of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
About a third blamed the bailouts of big banks and the auto industry.
Nearly a third blamed lobbyists and special interests for getting unnecessary spending put into the budget.
Almost as many placed the major blame on President Obama's economic recovery or stimulus plan.
About one-fourth blamed the Bush tax cuts.
A relative few blamed the economic recession that reduced tax revenue and required costly government support for the unemployed. A relatively few others blamed the deficit on the cost of Medicare prescription drug benefits.
What it boils down to is this, as the AFL-CIO's James Parks said in a bit of public advice to GOP Congressman Boehner: "The public doesn't like your plan to cut their Social Security so your rich friends can get another tax break."
Anyone doubting the popularity and importance of Social Security need only consider a recent AARP survey that showed "exceedingly high" support for the program.
"Clearly," said AARP researcher Colette Thayer, "most Americans rely on Social Security and expect it to be a source of income in their retirement. In fact, it is the most commonly cited source of retirement income."
Whatever their ages, whether over 30 or under, the poll - just as others like them taken on the program's anniversary dates five, 15 and 25 years ago - shows that Social Security is one of the government's most important programs in that it provides essential retirement income to millions of Americans who would otherwise have little or no income.
The Campaign for America's Future and MoveOn.org, will be jointly campaigning for candidates in the coming midterm elections who'll pledge to block cuts in Social Security and Medicare and otherwise back the organizations' liberal agendas. The unions that helped them sponsor the poll will also be waging major campaigns, as will other AFL-CIO affiliates.
They're backing the kind of political candidates we should all back - and as strongly as we can. Our social security depends on it.
Dick Meister is a San Francisco-based writer who has covered labor and politics for a half-century as a reporter, editor, author and commentator. You can contact him through his website, www.dickmeister.com.

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Also reduce the retirement
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 13:28 — Anonymous (not verified)Also reduce the retirement age eligibility down to 55 years to provide more jobs to young people and cut the unemployment rate in half.
Hear! Here! Truthout
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 13:44 — Vic Anderson (not verified)Hear! Here! Truthout re-levels the field with Negotiating, Bargaining and Conflict Resolution 101 REASONING! Take the Cataclysmic CAT FOOD-FIGHT Back-biting, to the Fat FELINES of Club FED!!
Ditto, Anon.!
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 14:47 — Vic Anderson (not verified)Ditto, Anon.!
Now this double-article,
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 18:14 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Now this double-article, particularly the first half of it, makes more sense then a lot of things I've heard and/or read recently. Many if not most developing countries with democracies far outpace us when it comes to "Social-Security-like" programs, paying sometimes much higher retirement benefits than the U.S., even in countries with (much?) lower costs-of-living.
The extremists in the U.S. who are intentionally destroying this country in their endeavor(s) to be outright traitors, eradicate the Supreme Law of the Land, the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, do away with our God-given, inalienable civil liberties and freedoms, and bring this country under the so-called "New World Order (NWO)" of global government (I mean, worldwide enslavement), want to do away with all of the safety nets and turn millions of disabled and elderly Americans, who now receive Social Security, into vagrants living on the street who the fat-cat traitors can then round up and use "death panels" to exterminate as so-called "useless eaters" and people who supposedly "are too much of a drain on resources" in a country that those very traitors intentionally bankrupted in order to bring these very scenarios about...
(Sorry about that; I don't
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 18:19 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)(Sorry about that; I don't know what caused that hiccup!)
...Why? Because they are sociopathic and psychopathic eugenicists who, including billionaires like Ted Turner; and, yes, Bill Gates; insanely believe in mass murdering most of the earth's human population due to mythical overpopulation and global warming scares, and leaving the earth with only about 300-500 million human beings out of seven billion (with, of course, all or most of globalist elitists being among the survivors). And they've got millions of "environmentalists" believing in this madness which, in all likelihood bring about their own annihilation! Some are even going around saying, "Kill yourself for the sake of the earth!"...
...But the article makes so
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 18:20 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)...But the article makes so much sense. Fight for increasing, not decreasing, the standard of living of our most needy citizens, like most relatively civilized countries do, with higher, not lower, if any, benefits. Then, with those one-sixth of Americans, or about fifteen-percent of the U.S. population, spending more money, it would provide a great stimulation of the economy, allow more Americans to not go bankrupt themselves, make more Americans happy with the end of their lives, give those yet to retire and/or become disabled have more to look forward to in their futures, and so on. And, as the first half of the article(s) stated, giving several examples of very workable ways to fund such a program, it would be relatively painless (except, perhaps, to the greedy, narcissistic fat-cats that is) to put the People first at least in this way, prevent more of an implosion of this country, and defeat much of the plans of the globalist mass-murderers.
In other words, it is a win-win answer for America, and one step towards preventing the psychopaths and sociopaths in the U.S. government from purposely destroying what is left of this country. Obviously, then, since it has all of these benefits, we should do it. The major problem is, though, that most of the fat-cat "leaders" in the U.S. government, and far too many "Americans", are completely brainwashed by the so-called need for globalism, and the huge lie that world government is our only hope of salvation. But let's not let these traitors win!
And ditto here also, to "Anonymous -- Wed, 10/13/2010 - 18:28"!
"...the Congressional Budget
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 18:30 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)"...the Congressional Budget Office projecting that Social Security can pay all scheduled benefits out of its own tax revenue stream through at least 2037."
This isn't accurate. The projection was that it could pay benefits using its own revenue stream AND redeeming the bond that makes up the so-called SS fund (this would be paid for with tax dollars out of the Treasury's general fund). In 2008, the CBO projected that the SS fund would be in the black (i.e., running a surplus) until 2016. It went into the red (i.e., had to redeem part of its bond to pay benefits) this year. CBO projections cannot be trusted. Also, any projection of how long the revenue stream will last has to take inflation into account, and nobody knows what future inflation rates will be (the SS "fund" is a fixed-rate bond, and benefits are inflation-adjusted... a high inflation rate would wipe it out). Even saying that it is "fully funded" is not accurate, as the fund consists of nothing more than a government bond, which has to be redeemed by tax dollars from the general fund in order to be used to pay benefits. The interest that the bond accrues also comes out of the general fund.
The real time-bomb, tho, is MediCare. SS estimates that there will be 80 million people on SS/MediCare by 2030. Total benefits per person will average ~120% of the average wage. IOW, it will take the combined economic output of 96 million people just to take care of the elderly. If wages continue their downward trend and medical costs continue their upward trend, this could increase to 140%, or 112 million workers. No amount of taxing the rich will enable the country to use that much of its workforce just to supply the elderly with benefits.
It's not about caring or not caring for the elderly. It's about manpower. Congress can pass 1000 laws "strengthening" SS, but none of them can overcome the undeniable fact that the manpower won't be there.
The national
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 20:03 — Anonymous (not verified)The national psychological/mental health would improve 1000% or more. That alone would be worth it's weight in gold. Maybe then we would move toward a civil society again. The oppression/depression from our current demise is tearing us collectively apart. We are a nation in pain and anger with no future. Quite possibly this would lift our spirit so we could confront the issues facing us with strength not hate.
Without a military budget,
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 21:36 — Anonymous (not verified)Without a military budget, the doubling of social security beginning with the recipients of the smallest pittances would be possible. The money would remain in the economy, and not lost to the war profiteers who are free to invest their windfalls outside the country. Presently US social security is behind those in European developed economies.
One of the sanest articles
Wed, 10/13/2010 - 23:34 — Anonymous (not verified)One of the sanest articles I've read in the American press in a while. Just as we lag behind the civilized world in a national health program, so it is with a robust social security program.
I've been painstakingly looking at every candidate in my "voter's packet" asking myself what the Democrats have done for myself and my offspring.
Why should I vote for people who are potentially and figuratively pointing a gun our way?
They ARE insane. I'm beginning to think that most Americans have lost their minds. What should be a matter of course in civillized societies, a non-debatable issue, a taken-for-granted human truth, has absolutely left the room insofar as dialogue about the direction of this country in the Halls of Power is concerned.
It offends me TOO DEEPLY to vote for them. Maybe I can think of some decent write-ins to at least exercise my voice in protest. For I will not participate any longer in their CHARADE of democracy. As they lick the boots of the DEMONIC corporations.
Very well said, "Anonymous
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 00:38 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Very well said, "Anonymous -- Thu, 10/14/2010 - 04:34" (is that you, 'Inspector Lohmann'?)!
The real time bomb is
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 09:41 — sharonsj (not verified)The real time bomb is Medicare? Gee, could that be because we don't have nationalized health care? As we go down the tubes, more people will be unable to pay insurance premiums let alone doctors. The U.S. will be faced with a private sector shoving the poorer Americans onto the gov't dole and a gov't unable to pay for all of them at the current rate of inflation. Something's got to give. We can't continue with a pay-or-die policy.
As for Social Security, there is one simple solution: raise the cap. But have you noticed that politicians can't even deal with doing that? That's why we remain screwed unless we have a real revolution.
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 14:41 —
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 14:22 — Erich von Freemason (not verified)Thu, 10/14/2010 - 14:41 — sharonsj (not verified)
"The real time bomb is Medicare? Gee, could that be because we don't have nationalized health care?"
It has nothing to do with how it's paid for. The resources won't be there when we have 80 million people retired (i.e., no longer producing for the economy), but still consuming (and each one consuming 120-140% of the average worker's production). Nationalizing health care doesn't change the basic economic facts. There is no free lunch. Odds are heavily in favor of wages declining, the cost of medical care increasing, and inflation increasing over the next 20 years, which will make the problem worse. No economy can survive when the total output of almost half its workforce is being poured down an economic black hole (and, economically, the return on investment for supplying retirements is zero). No act of legislation can overcome the simple economic fact that the resources won't be there. There is no free lunch. How is this so hard to understand?
not wise to push the
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 14:30 — Anonymous (not verified)not wise to push the desperate
Of course, I know it will
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 21:24 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Of course, I know it will probably never be allowed to happen, but there is a way, Erich, that legislation CAN "overcome the simple economic fact that the resources won't be there". Passing a Bill in Congress and the Senate repealing the Federal Reserve Act and the Sixteenth Amendment of the Constitution, and the U.S. government printing its own money, as much as they want or need, WITHOUT INTEREST; instead of continuing to buy unlimited money from a private international bank, AT INTEREST. That way we could fund anything and everything like the U.S. was designed to do in the first place, and for the earlier part of its history did.
Do you now see how unconsciously we, and even people like yourself, are indoctrinated and conditioned to (continue to) accept the status quo of our being owned and intentionally being bankrupted and destroyed by private international banks? We have the power to stop ALL of that, and to NEVER be in anymore need of borrowing ANY money from anyone, in order to fund all that we could possibly want to fund; but, oh no, we supposedly "can't have that", and we supposedly have to continue to bury our country and world in a mountain of irreversible and insurmountable debt that can never be repaid in its entirety...
...So your premise is
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 21:25 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)...So your premise is extremely false and misleading, and feeds right into the powers-that-be's desire to accept and support our own destruction at their hands, and to continue to allow ourselves and our country to be financially and otherwise raped and destroyed, all intentionally and by design. Most "Americans", like yourself apparently, have been so successfully brainwashed that they've given in and surrendered to this evil, also just as the powers-that-be designed and are intentionally bringing about. Thus, because most "Americans", and world-citizens as well, have been so successfully brainwashed, to accept and aid in their own demise, most people will bow down to more and more evil without a whimper.
We've got to wake up to the fact(s) that we do NOT, and MUST NOT, accept ANY of this; and to, if we do go down, at least go down without bowing down to ANY evil; and certainly not aid and abet our own downfall, both collectively and individually. Contrary to what the powers-that-be and far too many people would have us believe, resistance is NOT futile. If the vast majority of us, that is at 150 million Americans would wake up out of accepting the steadily and intentionally increasing hell on earth, and resist, we could stop the "New World Order (NWO)", one-world government from completely enslaving us all as they've been slowly but surely doing more and more for a very long time now (generations), and getting us to accept, and aid and abet, it!
WAKE UP, PEOPLE; RISE UP; AND RESIST THIS ULTIMATE IN DESPOTISM, TYRANNY AND TREASON AGAINST THE FREEDOM(S) OF HUMANKIND! PLEASE DON'T CONTINUE TO WILLINGLY BOW DOWN TO THIS EXTREME EVIL TAKING OVER THE U.S. AND THE WORLD!
To Mr. S. Wolf Britain: Sir:
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 22:01 — TinkerTailor (not verified)To Mr. S. Wolf Britain: Sir: You are seriously in need of some psychological help. The world you live in is not the one that most of us inhabit. If there is a single overwhelming evil in the world it is the same one that sends Chilean miners into hell every day to provide wealth for the industrialists, including the country's President, a billionaire who made much of his fortune out of the exploitation of the miners, and other enslaved workers, whom he 'promises to help'. They would be wise not to hold their breath. In other words the evil force is rampant and ruthless capitalism. But, though that is the main one,other things are bringing us down. bringing us down. The most resistant 0ne is pure ignorance, of the kind that your letter so frighteningly exemplifies. Your companions are Sarah Plain and Christie McDonnell, amonghordes of others. They make a virtue out of being vastly uninformed.They are proud to be thick-headed and 'passionate'. Does that make sense at the - or any other time? George Bush was thick-headed, and he was another major cause of our present troubles. And Hitler was nothing if not ' passionate'. Do, please, stop and reflect a little.
"TinkerTailor", I don't
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 23:34 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)"TinkerTailor", I don't think you correctly understood virtually a thing I said; and/or you incorrectly jumped to conclusions and assumed that, because I used some terms that the "Tea Party(iers)" use(s), I must be a "right-winger", which I am NOT. You are clearly a Godless "liberal", which I also am NOT, therefore you are apparently the one who is in need of some spiritual and/or psychological help. As Dr. M. Scott Peck (psychiatrist) said in his book, People of the Lie, "The evil (people) are the most insane (people) of all." Those who reject God, like yourself, and the false, counterfeit "Christians" like Sarah Palin and Christie McDonnell, etc., make themselves more a part of the mass insanity that is pervading and overtaking everything and our entire world today, than anyone else.
You also appear to wrongly presume that I'm for capitalism, and supposedly don't see through it. But you evidently couldn't be anymore wrong, at least on that point, because I am against capitalism... and dem(on)ocracy... and socialism... and communism... and totalitarianism... and (corporate-)fascism... and "Democratism"... and "Republicanism"... etc. I am a Constitutionalist, a True Liberal, AND a True Conservative. I am NOT a "Tea Partier", a "Republican", a "right-winger", or connected with ANY extremism of any kind. So stop jumping to false conclusions; making ad hominem attacks of people, particularly when you don't know what you're talking about concerning those people; and labeling people things they are not. You are one who needs to reflect before you leap to (false) conclusions...
...Hitler, George W. and/or
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 23:40 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)...Hitler, George W. and/or H.W. Bush, Christie McDonnel, Sarah Palin, etc., are NOT my companions! I wouldn't even shake hands with any of them if the circumstance arose, or if it were possible! They are evil incarnate, and I wouldn't have ANYTHING to do with ANY of them, even if someone paid me millions of dollars to do so! They are "thick-headed" because they trust in themselves! I do NOT trust in myself! I realize my non-inerrancy, my finiteness, my decrepitness and my sinfulness. I completely discern and see through all evil. And I do NOT have anything to do with the evils of the foregoing people, or any other such evil people, or their evils. In short, I don't know everything, and I have a lot to learn; but, only by the grace and/or blessings of God, I am FAR from ignorant...
...How is this so? BECAUSE I
Thu, 10/14/2010 - 23:40 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)...How is this so? BECAUSE I truly believe in God through Jesus the Christ; not like any counterfeit "Christians", but I ONLY believe in TRUE Christianity; and BECAUSE I don't trust in myself.
"It is written, thus says the Lord [God through Jesus the Christ, the Word(s) of God, and the Maker / Creator of all things except evil]...": "All (my 'righteousness' is) as filthy rags." [Isaiah 64:6; etc.; emphasis and/or clarification(s) added by me.]
For that quote and excerpts from M. Scott Peck, M.D.'s above-referenced book, see:
www.form-legal.com/wolf-two.html#evils
Fri, 10/15/2010 - 02:24 —
Fri, 10/15/2010 - 14:29 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)Fri, 10/15/2010 - 02:24 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)
"...the U.S. government printing its own money, as much as they want or need, WITHOUT INTEREST..."
I'm all for eliminating the FED and the 16th Amendment, but printing money does not create wealth. Germany and Zimbabwe figured that out the hard way.
Who said anything about
Fri, 10/15/2010 - 21:24 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Who said anything about "wealth", Erich, as you mean it in this context? All this country's government was ever designed to do is to survive and provide services to run the government and help the American people; and perhaps, on a very limited basis, help other countries and/or peoples (not entering their wars).
For instance, the U.S. government is NEVER supposed to bail out private corporations and carry out preemptive wars, but ONLY wars in true self-defense WHEN OUR SHORES ARE LITERALLY ATTACKED BY A SOVEREIGN NATION AND/OR A GROUP OF SOVEREIGN NATIONS. If we weren't spending trillions of dollars of money that our government doesn't own, and which we owe huge interest on, we could fund all that I mentioned in the beginning of this comment.
Of course, though, the powers-that-be can supposedly afford to spend trillions of dollars on completely illegal wars of aggression and bailing out criminal bankster/fraudsters, and get this country into quadrillions of dollars of debt, but they supposedly can't afford to pay for helping the American people. Go figure.
Sat, 10/16/2010 - 02:24 —
Sat, 10/16/2010 - 14:06 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)Sat, 10/16/2010 - 02:24 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)
"Who said anything about "wealth", Erich, as you mean it in this context?"
If you weren't implying that printing money creates wealth with the statement, "...the U.S. government printing its own money, as much as they want or need...," what were you trying to say?
Erich, "go away". You're
Sat, 10/16/2010 - 17:57 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Erich, "go away". You're intentionally missing the point and playing mindgames. Well, I don't play mindgames, so stop.
"If a nation wants to be
Sun, 10/17/2010 - 14:58 — Bob (not verified)"If a nation wants to be ignorant & free & living in a state of civilization; it wants to be something that never was & never will be"; that was then, this is now "from each according to their gullibility to each according to their greed". Well you know what; I think the majority of the US population fits the ignorant category shown by their constantly working & voting against their own best interests. This plan would be great for the vast majority of the population & the rich could still be rich, just not, as rich so the rich being the greedy sociopaths they are bamboozle the working class into hating the very things like this which would make them more free (free from the incessant worries about money that most hard working American have). Chances of it happening---about 0, but don't worry, you'll be free to sleep under the bridge & your pie will come in the sky when you die--haaaaaaa!
Rick
Mon, 10/18/2010 - 20:16 — Kevin Schmidt (not verified)Rick Wolff:Lower_Retirement_Age
On another recent Truth-out article, Rick Wolff argues for a 3 year lower SS retirement age as a method of decreasing unemployment.
http://www.truth-out.org/another-outrage-pushing-back-social-security-benefits64280
'A smart as well as decent policy would be to lower the retirement age. Here's how and why. Suppose folks between 2 and 3 years below the current retirement eligibility ages were provided with the following incentive: you can retire and get your Social Security retirement benefits now if you agree to perform 10 hours per week of work in a social service agency you can select from a long list of options. Your obligation would last for just as long as the difference between your early retirement and the traditional retirement age. This would free up many paying jobs for the unemployed and new entrants into the labor market, and it would increase staffing in social service agencies.'
Sat, 10/16/2010 - 22:57 —
Wed, 10/20/2010 - 13:45 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)Sat, 10/16/2010 - 22:57 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)
"Erich, "go away". You're intentionally missing the point and playing mindgames. Well, I don't play mindgames, so stop."
How is asking what you meant by, "...the U.S. government printing its own money, as much as they want or need...," a mind game?
Wolf, stop rising to the
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 14:48 — Frances in California (not verified)Wolf, stop rising to the bait of the disingenuous Erich von Freemason. Nothing he says is cite-able, prove-able or anything other than the sleight-of-hand of Pete Petersen's stable of atavistic, avaricious trolls.
Frances, do you even look at
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 02:13 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)Frances, do you even look at the dates of posts, and/or how long it's been from someone's last one and the fact that the person being baited hasn't responded, intentionally? I had, and I have, no intention of answering Erich's last baiting question and thereby allowing his his moronic mind-game-playing to go on and on.
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 19:48 —
Fri, 10/29/2010 - 07:06 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)Mon, 10/25/2010 - 19:48 — Frances in California (not verified)
I've provided citations for everything I've ever posted here and you know it.
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 07:13 — S. Wolf Britain (not verified)
There's no mind game. You said that the government could provide retirement benefits (wealth: people can't eat dollar bills, they just are a method of accounting) by printing money. YOU said it. "...the U.S. government printing its own money, as much as they want or need..."
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