Eight False Things the Public "Knows" Prior to Election Day
Friday 22 October 2010
by: Dave Johnson | Campaign for America's Future | Report
There are a number of things the public "knows" as we head into the election that are just false. If people elect leaders based on false information, the things those leaders do in office will not be what the public expects or needs.
Here are eight of the biggest myths that are out there:
1) President Obama tripled the deficit.
Reality: Bush's last budget had a $1.416 trillion deficit. Obama's first budget reduced that to $1.29 trillion.
2) President Obama raised taxes, which hurt the economy.
Reality: Obama cut taxes. 40% of the "stimulus" was wasted on tax cuts which only create debt, which is why it was so much less effective than it could have been.
3) President Obama bailed out the banks.
Reality: While many people conflate the "stimulus" with the bank bailouts, the bank bailouts were requested by President Bush and his Treasury Secretary, former Goldman Sachs CEO Henry Paulson. (Paulson also wanted the bailouts to be "non-reviewable by any court or any agency.") The bailouts passed and began before the 2008 election of President Obama.
4) The stimulus didn't work.
Reality: The stimulus worked, but was not enough. In fact, according to the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus raised employment by between 1.4 million and 3.3 million jobs.
5) Businesses will hire if they get tax cuts.
Reality: A business hires the right number of employees to meet demand. Having extra cash does not cause a business to hire, but a business that has a demand for what it does will find the money to hire. Businesses want customers, not tax cuts.
6) Health care reform costs $1 trillion.
Reality: The health care reform reduces government deficits by $138 billion.
7) Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, is "going broke," people live longer, fewer workers per retiree, etc.
Reality: Social Security has run a surplus since it began, has a trust fund in the trillions, is completely sound for at least 25 more years and cannot legally borrow so cannot contribute to the deficit (compare that to the military budget!) Life expectancy is only longer because fewer babies die; people who reach 65 live about the same number of years as they used to.
8) Government spending takes money out of the economy.
Reality: Government is We, the People and the money it spends is on We, the People. Many people do not know that it is government that builds the roads, airports, ports, courts, schools and other things that are the soil in which business thrives. Many people think that all government spending is on "welfare" and "foreign aid" when that is only a small part of the government's budget.
This stuff really matters.
If the public votes in a new Congress because a majority of voters think this one tripled the deficit, and as a result the new people follow the policies that actually tripled the deficit, the country could go broke.
If the public votes in a new Congress that rejects the idea of helping to create demand in the economy because they think it didn't work, then the new Congress could do things that cause a depression.
If the public votes in a new Congress because they think the health care reform will increase the deficit when it is actually projected to reduce the deficit, then the new Congress could repeal health care reform and thereby make the deficit worse. And on it goes.
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3) President Obama bailed
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 09:45 — Election Propaganda (not verified)3) President Obama bailed out the banks.
Sorry, this one is quite true. not only has Obama funneled more benefits to TBTF institutions post Paulson, don't be surprised if he does it again right after the midterms, Obama has sent taxpayer infusions to Fannie and Freddie and generally Fed Treasury policy is coming at the expense of Main Street. He'll never call for a foreclosure moratorium, his administration is as Bank friendly as the last.
Ethically, such quibbling is
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 10:04 — Vic Anderson (not verified)Ethically, such quibbling is the same as the Miserepubilkan LIES (if US even had an honor code); the truth remains that Obummer is driving the halfascist Getaway CAR for the Cheney/Bush Company crime syndicate!
Obama voted for the bailouts
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 15:17 — Anonymous (not verified)Obama voted for the bailouts and stimulus program during the Bush years. Does that count? Obama is part of the problem. He is continuing many of the same programs that Bush started-- especially concerning the war. Vote the Democrats out.
1. There is a big difference
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 15:46 — Phil (not verified)1. There is a big difference between deficit spending from budgets and national debt. Bush's bailout saved the world economy, which was on the brink of total disaster. Obama's budget did not reduce Bush's over-spending, it created an additional $1.29 trillion debt.
2. Obama did not raise taxes, the argument is over allowing the Bush tax cuts to sunset. This will be the biggest tax increase ever.
3. Besides continued high unemployment, record home foreclosures, and the most ant free market government ever, business are uncertain of their futures and are not investing in labor.
And you think voting
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 15:46 — Anonymous (not verified)And you think voting democrats out will change anything? Nothing will change. We will have the same problems.... It is not a problem that is dependent on who is in office. They are all making the same mistakes and blaming the other party.
It seems that no matter how
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 15:56 — Johnny Smith (not verified)It seems that no matter how hard you try, you just can't fix stupid.
Unfortunately, Anonymous
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 16:15 — Regina (not verified)Unfortunately, Anonymous 20:17, if we were to vote the Democrats out we'd be voting the vultures back in. Republicans/Tea Partyists (can't really tell them apart) are the perps in the misery that lingers on from their previous shenanigans. To vote them back in just to punish the Democrats would leave us bleeding from all the noses we'd have cut off just to spite our faces. What we really need is a Congress that will do its job, instead of sitting down on their rumps and squealing NO-O-O-O at every issue (and collecting their plush salaries for NO-thing).
Simple, concise and well
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 16:15 — A true patriot (not verified)Simple, concise and well put. But are enough people out there listening? Apparently it can't be said enough: Obama is far from perfect, but the GOP and 'bagger alternative is SO much worse!
Democrats, don't sit on your hands. Get up, vote for your party and then continue working to change it for the better from within. A tough job to be sure, but it can be done if enough people really care.
The raft of negative
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 16:54 — Robert Walters (not verified)The raft of negative comments on this thread simply proves that all too many Americans have been "fact-proofed" either by their blind ideology, innate stupidity, calculated propaganda/obfuscation/diversion, or, sadly, all of the above.
Add to the falsehoods in
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 17:00 — Fitz (not verified)Add to the falsehoods in this debunking: life expectancy at age 65 has gone up almost a third since 1940. More importantly, a higher percentage of working age adults are surviving till 65 so they can collect any of their contributions back instead of forfeiting them. http://www.ssa.gov/history/lifeexpect.html
"Those who can make you
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 17:03 — Scott ffolliott (not verified)"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." François-Marie Arouet -"Voltaire" (1694-1778.)
President Obama supports the
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 17:25 — Luis (not verified)President Obama supports the Chicago Way of doing business -- which means "our way or the highway" AND "our way for our good not the public's good." Take for example his appointment of Secretary of Education Arne Duncan.
Duncan presided as CEO of the Chicago Public Schools between 1999-2009. In that time, Duncan signed off on a special list so that the children of privileged families (Chicago's politically connected & wealthy families) could get into the few elite public schools in the city. Also at that time, Ariel Investments were also contracted to funnel money from CPS (Did John Rogers, banker, founder of Ariel Investments and childhood friend of Duncan have anything to do with that?)
And finally, between 2007 - 2010, $40 million dollars of pension fund contributions went unreported by CPS to the Chicago Teachers Pension Fund. Obama recently bailed out CPS with $100 million dollars in August, following 2 lawsuits -- one in July 2009 and another in July of 2010 regarding this lack to report these funds. The $40 million has never been accounted for, but payments of those contributions to those no longer working for CPS were suddenly doled out following this bailout of the Chicago Board of Education crooks (i.e., Duncan's people).
These are your DemoRats for you! Not much better than the Rethuglicans, eh?
Actually Fitz, according to
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 18:35 — Anonymous (not verified)Actually Fitz, according to my college textbooks on health and wellness life expectancy is declining and expected to continue declining.
Everyone else, I support Obama. I do not agree with everything he has done since taking office. Nor do I agree with all of the things he voted for as a senator. I picked the better of two evils. I would not have voted for Bush' right hand man if my life depended on it. And until the "party of no" gets over their revenge tactics and stops being childish at the expense of our nation's betterment, they are the ones who need replaced. Not even by democrats... just by people who actually think and act instead of sitting on their butts in stagnation, like a diseased price of tissue spreading infection to the rest of the body.
If we let the GOP take over
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 18:36 — Hanns Barker (not verified)If we let the GOP take over congress, again, we will be asking for the same type of people to run the country, as run Dr.PepperSnapple Corp. Just to see what type of people, they are, look up the Motts Processing plant strike, in upstate New York.
If we let those kind of people run our government, we are screwed. Our, once great nation will be no more!
What made us great was our ability to grow a middle class, made possible by Unions and the labor laws they brought into reality. Now, since the Reagan era, all that is in trouble. Our middle class is shrinking, not growing. The difference between the haves and have nots is expanding exponentially. Economic violence is being waged on the working man and woman.
Wake up, America!!!!
1) The FY 2010 deficit is an
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 19:48 — Erich von Freemason (not verified)1) The FY 2010 deficit is an ESTIMATE. No statement of fact can be made about the 2010 deficit until the year is over and all the relevant stats compiled. Well, history shows that the numbers always look worse in the final analysis.
2) Straw man.
3) Straw man.
4) Stimulus has never worked. It can't. It's a shell game. Creating jobs that produce little, if any, economic output, does not help the economy. It's nothing more than an attempt to re-inflate the bubble. All it does is push the problem into the future and guarantee that the inevitable crash is even more painful.
5) See: Journal of Public Economics Volume 89, Issues 5-6, June 2005, Pages 1027-1043 Tax structure and economic growth "Past theoretical work predicts that higher corporate tax rates should decrease economic growth rates, while the effects of high personal tax rates are less clear. In this paper, we explore how tax policies in fact affect a country's growth rate, using cross-country data during 1970-1997. We find that statutory corporate tax rates are significantly negatively correlated with cross-sectional differences in average economic growth rates, controlling for various other determinants of economic growth, and other standard tax variables. In fixed-effect regressions, we again find that increases in corporate tax rates lead to lower future growth rates within countries. The coefficient estimates suggest that a cut in the corporate tax rate by 10 percentage points will raise the annual growth rate by one to two percentage points."
http://tinyurl.com/27grf7f
6) This one makes no sense. Its cost is one issue. Its effect on the deficit is a totally different issue, having to do with the difference between the amount of money raised versus the amount of money spent. One has nothing to do with the other. And, linking to an old article presenting outdated information on only one of the health care bills is not honest. The current CBO estimate of the three bills that make up health care reform (H.R. 4872, H.R. 3590, and H.R. 3961) are that they will cause a $60 billion deficit between now and 2019. Any way you slice it, it will increase government spending as a percent of GDP.
7) The SS trust fund is nothing more than a Treasury bond. There's no cash there, and the only way to convert it to cash is to raise taxes or print the money.
8) Many people don't know that the government builds roads, schools, etc.? Really? Government spending has a negative effect on economic growth. This has been demonstrated over and over. It drains money needed for capital formation. It drains money needed for consumption. It is primarily spent on projects that produce little, if any, return.
http://www.parlamaid-alba.org/business/committees/enterprise/inquiries/bg/30%20Sup%20Evidence.pdf
It's interesting that Right
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 20:12 — MG (not verified)It's interesting that Right wing trolls have jumped on this particular article, probably because it refutes everything they've hung their hats on to win back Congress. It really proves they're about winning at any cost, including lying about their opponents, rather than honestly debating them. And so their campaigning and campaign funding-style goes. And inevitably, so goes their governing- style: corruption, lying, stealing, whatever, as one might expect an organized crime organization to operate.
There are many views on how
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 20:27 — JCM (not verified)There are many views on how to bring the economy back. One thing is certain to me is that the Republicans presided over and were responsible for the worst recession since WW2. The conservative ideology of small government and deregulation was the primary cause. Unenforced and a lack of regulations in the financial industry (read derivatives) was a crucial problem. Additionally, trickle down economics never has worked for the middle class but has certainly worked for the wealthy. The tax cuts didn’t produce any significant jobs and greatly add to the deficit. Yet they still demand these cuts. The Republicans want the middle class to sacrifice their social security, health care and wages but will pump billions to the very wealthy. Very good for donations!
There were no significant bank failures since WW2 until Reagan said government is the problem and then started the beginning of the deregulation of the financial industry. From then on every major bank failure was on a Republican watch. So much for deregulation!
As far as Democrats are concerned the middle class and actually all classes including the rich fare better during their administrations (read Clinton). The Dems make mistakes, but the Republicans make disaster.
For the life of me I do not
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 21:59 — Anonymous (not verified)For the life of me I do not understand how government spending takes money out of the economy. Only government spends money on infrastructure, since the railroads went out of business. And with bridges falling down, highways falling apart, airports overcrowded, and even major freight railroads hesitating to put the bucks upfront where is government? O lordy it costs too much.
The idiot in New Jersey doesn't want to build the tunnel. When the connection for what was the DL &W went directly through to Manhattan North Jersey real estate values went up like a shot.
That idiot is also costing New Jersey real jobs during a recession.
O well, Republicans win. Two years of Herbert Hoover economics. Then maybe we will get a real FDR.
Don't give up on Obama yet!
Sun, 10/24/2010 - 23:41 — JCM (not verified)Don't give up on Obama yet!
Those 8 false things are
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 05:21 — Student of 9/11 (not verified)Those 8 false things are KID'S STUFF!
When o when will We The People decide that We have been Lied To Enough Already?: http://ltea.us ... and for long enough already: http://fawcett911.us/DemRepNeoHistory.html
Wake up, sheeple...!
The Social Security fund is
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 05:42 — Annmarie (not verified)The Social Security fund is fully funded? An empty IOU that the government can never pay qualifies as fully funded? There hasn't been money available in the Social Security trust fund for many years, just those lonely, useless notes floating around. I think you ought to check the "facts" you are trying to represent.
@Erich von Freemason: Yes,
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 07:52 — Susan (not verified)@Erich von Freemason: Yes, there are people who don't realize the government needs money to build the roads, schools, etc. If they did, they wouldn't be trying to pass an amendment to the Colorado constitution that gets rid of property tax (so no money for schools) and gets rid of the motor vehicle tax (so no roads). And they want to pass an amendment saying the State can't borrow any money, ever.
Regardless of how much of the above is factual or not, one fact that is irrefutable is that Clinton left a surplus in the budget and Bush left a huge deficit. It took him 8 years to send this country into a downward spiral. People expect Obama to fix it in 2. Seriously people, Rome wasn't built in a day. You can't undo 8 years of bad accounting and massive spending in 2 years.
When did anyone last drive
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 07:57 — Anonymous (not verified)When did anyone last drive on a privately built highway or cross a privately built bridge? Without a solid infrastructure the economy suffers. Obama's original stimulus plan offered that sort of thing, and planning for the future in which we will need alternative sources of power like solar and wind. Who said we can't afford it? The right, of course. Seems to me we are being left behind by China and Europe because we refuse to invest in the public good.
We keep saying "Bush" this
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 09:39 — April (not verified)We keep saying "Bush" this and "Obama" that, but these guys aren't supposedly able do much without Congress' approval (except for the tortures that were ordered by Cheney and the decisions he made without Bush's consent, which he is Constitutionally not allowed to do). Now, if you look at the terrible deficit Obama inherited, that was done by the largely Republican Congress that was in before the Obama admin came in. Now you want to put them back in charge? What I want to know is, why is it so easy to forget how we got into this mess and blame it on the new guy? I didn't vote for Bush, and TWICE!
You left out the two most
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 11:01 — John Uebersax (not verified)You left out the two most important things:
9) US global military imperialism, including the war in Afghanistan and the occupation of Iraq, is a bigger problem than all the others put together.
10) The Republican and Democratic parties are two sides of the same coin -- a cartel. They supply merely the illusion of choice. We need more fundamental reforms than either party is talking about. To worry about which party is in charge is to take ones eye of the ball.
Here's another interesting
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 11:55 — RockBlot (not verified)Here's another interesting analysis of how we ended up getting into the Housing Crisis in the first place. Nothing is ever so simple as "Oh, we'll just ...." as evidenced by the GOP actions to drop people off the low income housing rolls by giving a $10k downpayment for a "home of their own" to people who shouldn't have been in the housing market and who couldn't afford to buy a home in the first place: http://wp.me/pRyTZ-6G
Freemason, please stop
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 12:16 — Kevin Schmidt (not verified)Freemason, please stop drinking while blogging. Your "opinion" comment is completely bizarre and illogical.
Case in point:
"4) Stimulus has never worked. It can't. It's a shell game [Blah! Blah! Blah!]..."
Apparently, you are economically illiterate. Open up any Economics 101 book and read about Keynesian Fiscal Stimulus, and you will see that it most certainly works because that is what got us out of the Republican inspired Great Depression.
I won't waste my time disproving the rest of your nonsensical comment. You discredit yourself by your own words.
Spreading false information
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 13:19 — Anonymous (not verified)Spreading false information about changes in the average life expectancy at age 65 is counterproductive when this information is readily available on the Social Security Office of Actuary's web site and easily fact-checked. While one might argue about estimates of future life expectancy at 65, the historical data is clear. In 1940, the unisex average life expectancy at 65 was 12.7 years (age 77.7). By 2007, it had increased to 18 years (age 83).
There are plenty of good reasons to ensure that Social Security is around to protect future generations from potential loss of income due to disability and death of the family wage earner as well as providing a major source of income for retirees. You are not helping this cause by making up stuff just because it sounds good!
Obama promised to close
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 13:41 — Anonymous (not verified)Obama promised to close Guantanamo,and get out of Iraq amongst other things?
Instead he authorized more drone strikes and killed many innocent people then Bush (not that I liked him).
Obama has given green light for killing US citizens on foreign soil without due process(mind you he is a lawyer.)
He supports MANY brutal regimes in the Middle East(like the republicans did).
His policies on nuclear issue are biased(so are the republicans).
The ruling elite consider the rest of the population dumb and keep selling the nonsense about "war on Terror".
The truth is "oil,power and military industrial machines".
Both the parties have lost it.
I for one is planning on staying home and not wasting my vote on these losers (both democrats and republicans).
"3) President Obama bailed
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 13:43 — Anonymous (not verified)"3) President Obama bailed out the banks."
Actually TARP was passed under Bush, not the current president.
Pay for Performance for
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 13:57 — Susan Caraway (not verified)Pay for Performance for Congress? Maybe a scorecard for Congress using metrics such as unemployment percent or job creation would entice them to cooperate and abandon partisan inaction. If structured properly perhaps the best folks would be attracted, e.g. if country's metrics don't improve no pay (assuming the special interests would not subsidize instead).
You ALL are missing the
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 17:02 — Ashamed at them...and at us too (not verified)You ALL are missing the point here!!!
The only reason political parties exist is to make things seem more interesting than what they really are. To rock the boat and grease the wheels for the true controlling entities in this world.
The same families who have been in power for millennium and who own every single one of us are laughing straight to the bank (they own them too). There will always be debt. Look at the price of gold and other precious materials. Look at the condition of the dollar today. Pathetic. Wealth is being moved away from us.
It's all a slide of hand while they take away our money, rights and freedoms. All the while, they have us arguing about who to blame for why our country is going to crap and completely broke(n).
Wake up people. We are being strung up by the short and curly's and keep asking for more. Dumbed down, poisoned and imprisoned....but hey, we have our HDTV's, SUV's, credit cards and big houses to keep us fat and happy.
I blame lack of backbone of this country.
"Democrats, don't sit on
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 17:12 — Anonymous (not verified)"Democrats, don't sit on your hands. Get up, vote for your party"....thats the problem. quit voting for your party and vote for the individual. voting for your party got us into this mess, and they made it worse.
do some research and vote for the individual. the party cool aid line has broken america.
Thank You, Kevin Schmidt! I
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 18:10 — Ohio Teacher (not verified)Thank You, Kevin Schmidt! I was so ready to go off on the stupidity of Erich von Freemason! As a history buff and a teacher, I wanted to smack him in the head with a textbook.
Thank you!
Say what you want about the
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 19:49 — Anonymous (not verified)Say what you want about the Tea Party but...
"One thing that sets aside just about every self described Tea Party voter from every other group; They are all, each and every one, people who pay taxes and support society.... rather than folks who take from, use, depend on, and abuse society."
We' ve had a democrat
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 00:09 — Anonymous (not verified)We' ve had a democrat controlled congress since 2007... before Obama. Congress is responsible for the spending and all of these bad ideas.
Holy moly... Is this
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 10:03 — Anonymous (not verified)Holy moly... Is this article truly what liberal progressives believe? Do they get off on just making stuff up? The stimulus wasn't enough and should have been more????????? Cutting taxes creates more debt?????? Are you serious? No mention anywhere about the egregious government spending.
What a joke.
Someone writes something out in a seemingly factual way and all the liberals clamor at these half truths. It's almost as if history doesn't exist for these people and the facts about world economies and cause and effect of bad policy from the last 200 years has miraculously disappeared.
What do you expect from out-of-touch liberals. They're so caught up being zealots for their liberal "religion" they turn a blind-eye to actual truth.
Yeah, and the housing bubble
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 10:16 — Anonymous (not verified)Yeah, and the housing bubble started in the summer of 2006. The Republicans had control of all 3 branches of government from 2000-2006. Take some responsibility for a change . . .
Hey, 15:03, crawl out of
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 10:24 — Anonymous (not verified)Hey, 15:03, crawl out of that Faux News cave and join reality, eh?
Most of the "egregious" and unnecessary government spending took place under Reagan and W. And many economists, including conservative ones, believe the stimulus was not enough. Cutting taxes has *not* created jobs. America was far more prosperous in times when taxes were much higher, such as the 91% top bracket under Republican President Eisenhower in the 1950s.
But don't let facts get in the way of your ideology.
I'm astonished that truthout
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 11:34 — Anonymous (not verified)I'm astonished that truthout would repeat the canard that there is such thing as the "Social Security Trust Fund". Social Security receipts in excess of payments are not invested in a redeemable asset as some kind of reservoir to fund future obligations, they are borrowed to fund other federal programs. Any "balance" in Social Security is merely a bookkeeping entry. Calling it a trust fund is disingenuous and counter-productive, and perhaps more dangerous to the health of the nation than many of the false "truths" cataloged in this article.
Hey 15:24, higher taxes do
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 12:08 — Anonymous (not verified)Hey 15:24, higher taxes do NOT strengthen an economy. A strong economy can SUPPORT higher taxes. Oh, and there were 2, year long, recessions during Eisenhower probably due to the New Deal, inflation, and post war crap. What is completely laughable though is your idea (and apparently also the idea of progressives) that higher taxes brings a country out of recession. ORLY???!!!
Oh, and about the stimulus. They said that if we didn't pass the stimulus we'd lose X jobs. If we did pass the stimulus we'd lose Y jobs (much less than X). It turns out that with the stimulus, we lost both X+Y+Z jobs. We should have just stuck with no stimulus. Too late.
Ohio Teacher I was so ready
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 12:28 — Kevin Schmidt (not verified)Ohio Teacher
I was so ready to go off on the stupidity of Erich von Freemason! As a history buff and a teacher, I wanted to smack him in the head with a textbook.
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I suggest using 'Economics' by Paul Samuelson. It's a hardcover with 744 pages!
If the wealthy returned to
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 13:05 — Anonymous (not verified)If the wealthy returned to paying Clinton-era taxes, we'd all be better off. It would reduce the deficit and prevent these jokers from buying politicians who will only support THEIR interests rather than the interests of the American people at large. They clearly aren't using the extra cash to create jobs . . .
As for the recession that began under W's watch, it ended in June under Obama's watch.
So, no one is discussing higher taxes to end a recession, duh.
And as for the stimulus, not a single reputable economist agrees with your assessment, 17:08. Stop watching Glenn Beck and form your own opinions. You might have to grow a brain first, though, I realize.
The worse President
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:03 — Anonymous (not verified)The worse President EVER
Obama Sucks
A panel of professional
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 16:46 — Anonymous (not verified)A panel of professional historians recently ranked Obama, based on his performance to date, the 15th best president in American history.
Meanwhile, W was right near the bottom of the barrel . . .
The Dems and the Repubs
Tue, 10/26/2010 - 19:03 — Anonymous (not verified)The Dems and the Repubs serve the same corporate masters and Bankster. We need honest Americans who speak truth to save this Country. Bush started the invasions putting the war machine in motion so banks could make tremendous amounts of money in war funding both sides of the conflict. Clinton sealed the economic collapse by repealing Glass-Steagal allowing Commercial lenders to merge with Investment banks. BTW Glass-Steagal was put in place in the early 1930's right after the Great Depression to ensure nothing like that could happen again. Now Obama continues the plan spreading Fascism through government funding of private corporations. The man behind the curtain who prints money pulls the strings on the Dems and Repubs. Until you know that......your wasting your time.
What a bunch of lame, tired
Wed, 10/27/2010 - 08:45 — Anonymous (not verified)What a bunch of lame, tired rhetoric, 00:03. If you can't see the difference between parties, it's because you're suffering from ideological blindness.
Go out and vote Nov 2 for
Wed, 10/27/2010 - 15:02 — radline9 (not verified)Go out and vote Nov 2 for your favorite organized crime boss.
lololol@#6 and #7. I'm so
Wed, 10/27/2010 - 15:25 — Anonymous (not verified)lololol@#6 and #7. I'm so happy that social security is completely sound for the next 25 years. So until I retire, pretty much. No complaints there. Just overlook the fact that Social Security is going broke in European countries like Spain, we aren't like them.
I'm very glad this article was written from an unbiased perspective, amirite?
Wow, lots of uninformed
Wed, 10/27/2010 - 18:09 — Anonymous (not verified)Wow, lots of uninformed idiots like 'Phil' on here...
One thing I never hear
Thu, 10/28/2010 - 14:55 — Bobby B (not verified)One thing I never hear mentioned in the who caused what argument is the 2 wars Bush started are now IN THE BUDGET. Blame who you want, but Bushs' wars and tax cuts were never accounted for until Obama took office.
Whoever wrote this is either
Thu, 10/28/2010 - 17:10 — Intelligencia (not verified)Whoever wrote this is either delusional or bat-a$$ crazy. Any of these could be picked apart, but I will deal with basic economics as a business owner. The thought that business taxes do not reduce capital available for hiring is simply false. Never mind the fact that this congress refused to deal with the fact that every single tax payers' rates are going up on January 1 2011. This money being taken out of the pockets of Americans will further reduce consumer spending and cause more economic havoc. By the way the government may be 'we the people' but it is peoples money confiscated by the IRS that pays for the services. The government is in no way a benevolent entity.
The Bush tax cuts started
Fri, 10/29/2010 - 14:24 — Anonymous (not verified)The Bush tax cuts started going into effect in 2001. Where are the jobs they were supposed to create? If we want "trickle down" we will have to allow those unaffordable cuts (look at the deficit) to expire. Going back to Clinton-era taxes--when the country was highly prosperous--won't be a bad thing.
Oh, and if we do want to cut
Fri, 10/29/2010 - 14:26 — Anonymous (not verified)Oh, and if we do want to cut taxes, here's how:
Cut the Offense Budget. At present 53c out of every $ goes to the military. We're spending almost as much on Offense as the rest of the world combined.
That's ridiculous.
It's way past time we heeded Eisenhower's warnings about the military-industrial complex.
PURE BS, NICE TRY AT
Fri, 10/29/2010 - 16:17 — yah right (not verified)PURE BS, NICE TRY AT TWISTING, DISTORTING, DISTRACTING, AND DODGING BLAME!
NO ONE'S FALLING FOR IT EXCEPT FOR UNEDUCATED PEOPLE WHO VOTE BASED SOLELY ON COLOR AND PARTY.
this is the most pathetic attempt at self-excusing tripe I have seen come out of any administration in 35 years.
I am not going to justify one shred of this completely invalid sack of crap by even beginning to tackle each argument. This whole thing is so patently false and opposite of the truth that I would waste hours dismantling claims that everyone, including the writer and think tank who cooked this up, knows to be dung. Actually, dung has greater value, you can compost it to ferilze your garden. This diatribe of spewage is nothing but a waste of time to readers here.
progressives and liberals
Fri, 10/29/2010 - 16:19 — yah right (not verified)progressives and liberals are, put nicely,
"mathematically challenged."
A bunch of angry people
Sat, 10/30/2010 - 00:12 — Anonymous (not verified)A bunch of angry people here, and I don't blame you. Stop the stupid "liberal" name calling already, really. Bush and Cheney should be in jail for war crimes and breaking the constitutional law of this country. To turn to the party of no idea's and "no" gives the control back to the party that started this mess. Unless you are at the top 2% of wealth, why on earth would you do that. The middle class will not get any breaks with a Republican rule. They don't give a rat's ass about you brother. Wake up and turn off Fox News, its messing with your sense
to: — Phil (not
Sat, 10/30/2010 - 01:42 — Buffalo Democrat (not verified)to: — Phil (not verified)
You wrote: Sun, 10/24/2010 - 20:46
"1. There is a big difference between deficit spending from budgets and national debt. Bush's bailout saved the world economy, which was on the brink of total disaster. Obama's budget did not reduce Bush's over-spending, it created an additional $1.29 trillion debt."
If you are referring to putting the costs of the war in Iraq and Afghanistan into the budget instead of piecemeal "emergency spending waivers" then yes, he increased the over all debt. If not, then show me the numbers?
"2. Obama did not raise taxes, the argument is over allowing the Bush tax cuts to sunset. This will be the biggest tax increase ever."
There is no way that you or anyone else can compare the ending of a tax break to passing a new law that increases the tax on everyone. It's comparing apples to oranges, and you should have learned that lesson back in elementary school.
The right-wing whackadoodle
Sun, 10/31/2010 - 11:03 — Anonymous (not verified)The right-wing whackadoodle trolls and Obama so-called progressive haters are on this post this morning.
To the person suggesting that voting only for Dems won't fix things, excuse me, but a continuing majority of Dems will not kill the Health Care Reform Bill, but will probably come up with a better bill with a public option, as Dems will not kill the Financial Reform Bill either. Rethugs will indeed continue Herbert Hoover economics. Let's remember, in 1930, the top 1% was not affected by the Great Depression, as the top 1% aren't affected by the Great Recession. That's the real base of the Rethugs: the haves and have mores who could care less about how America goes as long as they don't have to contribute to society with paying a bit more in taxes, let alone invest in private sector industry or the public sector to create jobs here as long as they can invest "over there" for jobs to be created "over there" (which means killing that financial reform law that took away that tax dodge!).
"right-wing whackadoodle
Sun, 10/31/2010 - 18:42 — Anonymous (not verified)"right-wing whackadoodle trolls and Obama so-called progressive haters"
Increasingly, I see little difference between these groups, their rhetoric, and their effects on American politics. Both are enemies of liberal Democrats. Both are intent on delivering Republican majorities.
I've been observing US
Mon, 11/01/2010 - 04:01 — Ken Hall (not verified)I've been observing US politics long enuff to know that change is incremental. Elect a Dem and maybe you can elect a more progressive Dem next time around. Elect a GOPer of TPer and you are terminally stupid unless you make more than $250,000/year. Ignorance can be a willful choice.
In 2008, under Bush, Jr.,
Mon, 11/01/2010 - 09:41 — Anonymous (not verified)In 2008, under Bush, Jr., the U.S. economy was shedding 317,250 private sector jobs a month.
In 2010, under Obama, we have gained an average of 95,888 private sector jobs a month. So far, 5 million jobs have been created under Obama's leadership.
Obama has also reduced the deficit from $1.416 trillion under Bush, Jr., to $1.291 trillion. There's a long way to go, but Obama is heading in the right direction.
Also, since Obama has been president the DOW, NASDAQ, and S&P 500 have increased 40%, 74%, and 47% respectively.
Economically, we are heading in the right direction. Don't let radical conservatives--who caused the mess in the first place--convince you otherwise.
"Stimulus has never worked.
Tue, 11/02/2010 - 01:32 — Wahr (not verified)"Stimulus has never worked. It can't. It's a shell game. Creating jobs that produce little, if any, economic output, does not help the economy"
Consumer Spending drives the economy. Simply keeping people employed helps bouy consumer spending, and thus demand. Demand for products keeps other people in their jobs and often prompts hiring.
The GDP equation is heavily weighted toward consumer spending. This is why reaganomics is so bad for this country. Putting the squeeze on the wages of the middle class and poor who are very likely to spend every penny and giving to the rich who already have everything they want and will simply horde it away kills the economy by simple virtue of the fact the wealthy have nothing more to spend upon. Every republican administration since reagan has been followed by a recession for this reason.
The "free market" ideology
Tue, 11/02/2010 - 12:14 — Anonymous (not verified)The "free market" ideology "trump card" is SO boring because:
1) it's false. There is no free market. There are politically connected individuals, and politically connected corporations. Everyone else is basically the same, and we're getting screwed by those in power, and it ain't Obama.
2)basing an entire nation and it's affairs solely on economics is plain retarded. There is more at stake than profit and self-interest.
3)We have witnessed what the first eight years of the new millenium has wrought under "free market" ideology. Now we're in the toilet and swirling fast as a result.
Oh, and @yah right: maybe you should look into anger management, and stop yelling.
To: 00:49 — Anonymous (not
Tue, 11/02/2010 - 18:31 — Anonymous (not verified)To: 00:49 — Anonymous (not verified)
What you wrote is completely false!! Seriously, you really think there is no "Tea Party member" who has ever taken unemployment, welfare, or workers compensation.... Think again, it's many of these same uninformed people, who are happy to take, but just don't want others to share in those same benefits.
(Tue, 10/26/2010 - 00:49 — Anonymous (not verified)
Say what you want about the Tea Party but...
"One thing that sets aside just about every self described Tea Party voter from every other group; They are all, each and every one, people who pay taxes and support society.... rather than folks who take from, use, depend on, and abuse society.")
I think maybe Dave Johnson
Wed, 11/03/2010 - 13:23 — Kevin (not verified)I think maybe Dave Johnson needs to either do his homework better or do a serious ethics check on himself. The Eight False Things the Public "Knows" Prior to Election Day, in fact, are not false things. I think maybe Mr. Johnson knows this. Just do your own research. Look at the data yourself. Research the data, don't just listen to some half wit opinion writer and declare his statements to be true. It does nobody any good to pass along lies. Lead your own life, don't let someone else lead it for you.
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 12:52 —
Fri, 11/05/2010 - 17:08 — Erich von Freemason (not verified)Mon, 10/25/2010 - 12:52 — Susan (not verified)
While Clinton did lower the deficit almost to zero, the 'Clinton surplus' is a myth. The last time we had a surplus (i.e., the government took in more than it spent, thus lowering the debt) Eisenhower was in office. Also, if the government had to use GAAP accounting standards, the debt would be $100-$200 trillion, and every administration for the last 100 years would look fiscally irresponsible.
Here are the government's own figures (probably won't format properly).
Fiscal National Debt Deficit
Year ($ Trillions) ($Billions)
FY1993 $4.411488 FY1994 $4.692749 $281.26
FY1995 $4.973982 $281.23
FY1996 $5.224810 $250.83
FY1997 $5.413146 $188.34
FY1998 $5.526193 $113.05
FY1999 $5.656270 $130.08
FY2000 $5.674178 $17.91
FY2001 $5.807463 $133.29
Note that the debt increased every year under Clinton. That's no surplus.
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 17:16 — Kevin Schmidt (not verified)
The New Deal created the longest, deepest depression the world has ever seen; it lasted twice as long as the previous record holder. Keynes was not an economist, he was a statist (read the General Theory... he doesn't even understand Say's Law, much less complex economic principles). Arecent poll by NABA (National Association for Business Economics... the
world's largest association of economists) showed that less than half of all economists believe that the New Deal worked, which is pretty remarkable considering that almost 90% of the country's economists work for the government. It's not getting any press (I wonder why), but the economic establishment is beginning to turn its back on Keynes, and it's about time; he didn't know what he was talking about.
Mon, 10/25/2010 - 23:10 — Ohio Teacher (not verified)
You're a teacher and all you can do is spew insults? Not even an attempt at a rebuttal? Keynes' General Theory has been thoroughly refuted. (see "Failure of the New Economics," by Henry Hazlitt, available for free at http://mises.org/books/failureofneweconomics.pdf). The only reason it's taught in government-owned or -funded schools is that Keynes' answer to every problem is more government, not because it correctly describes how economies work (any history buff should be able to see that).