This article was brought to you by the insurance companies of America, who wrote Obama care. Now they will make even bigger profits, since they can boost rates to cover any additional costs of Obamacare, and everyone is forced to buy it.

Why not just expand Medicare and Mediaid? These are simpler and much more cost effective. Its because they are single payer, and Obama's buddies don't get a cut.

False Choices, Once Again

From the propaganda article:

'ObamaCare uses that same pooling model to bring down the cost of health insurance by requiring everyone to purchase coverage by 2014. This is one of the most controversial parts of the law, but the cold, hard fact is that unless everyone is in the pool, insurance costs will rise and more and more people will drop out, leading to higher costs that almost no one can afford and leaving many, many people with no health care coverage – exactly the situation that we have seen playing out the past few years.'

Excuse me! What ever happened to single payer?

Medicare works, so why can't we all be a part of Medicare? And why can't the government pay for it? Why must we be forced, unconstitutionally, to buy inadequate insurance from insurance companies?

Oh, that's right. They hired lobbyists to legally bribe Congress, again, so they could steal our tax dollars, again.

Enjoy that Obamacare bone, you tax slave suckers! Meanwhile the big insurance companies are eating five star gourmet, paid by Y-O-U!

Is it any wonder the US has the most most expensive and least effective health care in the world, because at least 45 other countries have longer life expectancies.

FFS!

What poppycock!

I'm sorry for the health problems of your family, but if we had universal care and no insurance companies at all, your situation would be infinitely improved over Obamacare.

One can only assume how much you were paid to prostitute yourself thusly. Hope it's enough to cover your premiums which will go up, because there is nothing that prevents this in the bill.

Sucker.

Do we really need to call this article a "propaganda" article? "Pooling" is one of the things that makes single payer insurance work as well as it does. It's a way of spreading risk. I live where we have single payer health insurance, which my wife and I like a whole lot better than what we had in the US (which was Medicare for me).

Is single payer better? In our experience, definitely. But don't put "pooling" down, because that's what's needed to bring the total costs down.

a long article about not too much of anything. A few measly health care crumbs that seemingly is enough for her.

Did she ever think about single payer?

Why on earth do you think that the 111th Congress passed CommieCare, and then exempted themselves from it? It's because they have their very own gold-plated Cadillac plan, and they left us with a clunker.

Five States have already passed their own versions of socialized medicine. They are: Massachusetts (thanks to Mitt Romney), Hawaii, Oregon, Tennessee, and Maine. They are all an economic train wreck, aside from their own State budgets. If you live in one of those States and don't like it, you can move to another State.

I don't think we need to go over how they're doing with it over in Canada or the UK, which is a whole 'nother article. Do you own research.

If CommieCare is allowed to stand, you had better make sure you are healthy, and remain healthy, because only the healthiest will survive.

There are many children in pediatric hospitals with deadly diseases such as cancer or cystic fibrosis (CF). Children with CF will need a lung transplant someday.

Those children are receiving the best care possible, because America currently has the greatest heathcare system in the world, such as it is.

When my mother needed a cancerous kidney removed, it was out a week later. The rest of the world has socialized medicine, which is what would come home to roost here, if it's allowed to stand. With that, she would be dead today.

My brother-in-law's mother needed a liver transplant in 1998. She got it, and she is still alive. With socialized medicine, she would be dead today.

Socialized medicine is all about sharing resources equally. It's all about rationed healthcare. No one, young or old, must be allowed to take excess tax dollars away from someone else.

Let's say you develop cancer at 50 or 60.

Choice #1: It is going to cost CommieCare $4,000 a month for your chemotherapy drug (Tarceva), to keep you alive until you go into remission, or until you perish.

Choice #2: It is going to cost CommieCare a one-time $100 for death counseling, and the chemicals needed to euthanize you.

I assure you, under CommieCare, euthanasia would become not only legal, but sanctioned. Which choice do you honestly believe they are going to choose for you?

Excuse me, but I am not being "childish" in my characterization of what I prefer to call CommieCare. I'm nearly 50 years old and I always call 'em like I see 'em. If you don't like it, tough.

Socialized medicine is what they have in Cuba, China and North Korea. Fidel Castro himself came out and asked our media what the hell took us so long. It is communism, and it is nothing short of that.

Under socialized medicine, neither you nor your doctor will have any say whatsoever in what treatment or drug you will get for your ailment. Your doctor most likely will know what you need, but s/he will then have to ask permission for you to get it.

It will be up to some faceless bureaucrat who will decide what you get based upon available resources. If the bureaucrat decides you get nothing, then you get nothing.

If the doctor gives you a treatment or a drug that is needed but unapproved, the doctor will get a $100,000 fine. If the doctor does it again, s/he will go to prison and be stripped of their license.

Allowing the government to interfere in the sacred doctor / patient relationship is obscene, and it should never, ever be allowed to happen.

It's almost unbelieveable that people in your country are so immature and selfish as to deny health cover to those who can't afford it. Obama's health reforms really are a compromise and you need to implement universal health care.

Your country pays more per annum than any other OECD country for health care and you don't cover everyone! The U.S. pays 14-15% and we pay around 10% and we cover everyone.

The stress your health system creates reduces productivity and because it requires an employer to pay for it it reduces employment.

Wake up and grow up, guys.

It is singularly sad to have cheerleading for as little Obamanible shingle servings as such above, when SINGLE-PAYER could provide It ALL for US ALL!

"The bottom line is that it doesn't matter how old you are. If it will cost the State less to euthanize a child than to treat the child"

And, according to another article on truthout, Arizona is doing that right now rather than raise the taxes on the wealthiest 1% by a single penny.

Thanks "good capitalist" healthcare system!

This article is propaganda for the health insurance companies.

Open up Medicare for the nation! Pass H.R. 676!

Single payer NOW.

Hate to say it, even though there are a few salutary points in the article, we would have been better off lowering the eligibility age for Medicare (it's not totally free--I pay a monthly premium) by five years next year, another five years in 3 or 4 years, etc., to let the medical system absorb the additional patients who now use things like free clinics--or die.

We also desperately need more doctors in this country. Whether it will take new medical colleges or increased capacity at the ones we have doesn't matter.

We also need to offer financial encouragement/incentives to people to encourage them to become doctors, especially internists and family practitioners. We need to forgive the med school loans of people who work in poverty-stricken areas of the U.S.--e.g., poor urban neighborhoods, Indian reservations, remote areas--for five years when they get out of school, and we need to do it without setting up new programs, just adding the incentive.

What if they gave health care, without looking to see how much money someone makes?

What if they never knew if it was a rich man or a poor man or a middle income man in their office?

Just a man with a health care problem.

Heresy !

CommieCare? Wrong. The legislation that was passed and signed does not take over hospitals or healthcare professionals and run it all from the Fed. No - it primarily requires everyone to have insurance so that the costs will will be borne by all and stop growing exponentially. Also, the emphasis on preventative medicine will reduce the higher costs we have now due to people waiting until they are quite sick before getting help. This system keeps private insurance companies, hospitals, doctors, nurses, etc. It doesn't stop you from going to the doctor you want to see (your "sacred" relationship). It does keep the insurance companies from denying coverage to people who need it, and it doesn't allow them to "cherry=pick" only those who will cost them less in terms of payouts.

It is really doesn't help the discussion about healthcare to slime efforts to alleviate problems by using such hate phrases as "commiecare", which only try to strike fear in people and avoid really discussing the merits/problems with approaches.

It is true that the present legislation does not intefere with people's present "sacred" relationships with their doctors, as they presently stand. However, if you are on Medicaid, you have NO such choices as far which doctor you see. If you are in the clinic system under a state plan, you have NO such choices. You cannot switch doctors, you cannot complain, you are toast if you think you have rights. The present legislation is expanding such crap, pouring money into it, engraving it in marble. Women are losing reproductive health care rights under the bill, too, while some people will watch their stocks soar with abortion riders on sale at the human market.

I refuse this piece of shit legislation in the name of humanity.

They should open up Medicare for all Americans so that every human being in this country has the SAME access to quality health care as anyone else. A president, a useless member of Congress, or any of their children.

If they can't do that, they should nationalize the whole fucking thing. It's not brain surgery.

Insurance companies are well in between people and their doctors. They rule the relationships at this point, they govern and make decisions about health care, when it's completely out of their province, and they will do so even more, with the passage of this bill.

I can't imagine anyone going into medicine in the United States today with the serious intention of helping humanity.

It's all about money and working for health insurance companies.

Spend a year in my shoes, getting health care for your teenager, and you will see a side to Americans that curdles your blood cold.

They should open up Medicare or nationalize the health care industry. I would oppose this bill, as antagonistic to national progress and long term gains for our children and theirs.

The Medicaid system is a national disgrace.

The United Nations should be calling upon our country for human rights abuse.

"Obamacare" is a disgrace. It sentences millions upon millions of Americans to healthcare "coverage" that doesn't even exist.

They are lying to the America and this writer is a spokesperson for the industry who has been well covered, as she herself attests, and is whimpering "hands off" because she will get another 7 years of coverage for her little darlings, while millions of American children, under "obamacare" will go ignored.

And PULEEZE don't tell -- "but but we'll BUILD on it!"

Stick that hypocritical sentence up your filthy insurance industry behind.

"False choices" is an excellent way of describing the gist of this article.

I have begun to think that what we are really looking at, is a fight between different factions within the health insurance industry. Hence, the differences, but basic sameness of those fighting for the Republicans or the Democrats.

Why should the rest of us fight on behalf of anyone in the health insurance industry?

Let them all go back to the Devil's Den from whence they came!

Open up Medicare to the country! Pass single payer!

Quality health care is a human right!

"Why isn't this writer fighting for Medicare for everyone?"

Because she is a social fascist, its as simple as that. Her nauseating rationale about gradualism offered in the comments above is the self same tripe offered by that lobby-loving weasel in the White House when Insurance Care was passed initially. I say pull the whole cotton pickin' Insurance Care structure down and get it right next time. Repeal Insurance Care!!

Aren't we missing the point here? What's the point of launching personal attacks against the writer? And for that matter, what do you have when you get rid of ObamaCare? So, it isn't the most visionary of systems and it doesn't get us what we would in other countries, but it's a step in the right direction. And the smallest step can make a difference. I, too, worry about stagnation, but as someone with a history of chronic illnesses and a family of genetic misfits (and no social fascists, on last check), I'd say that we find a way to stop biting one another, organize in a peaceful and constructive manner, and move forward in fashioning what we do have into something workable. (Just a few of these ObamaCare changes get MANY of us a whole lot further than we were before it and if it's that selfish, I'll send you my insurance bills so you can experience shared community.) A few days after Thanksgiving, maybe we can still find some gratitude and creativity left in us?

My wife and I are on Medicare. In December of 2009 she was diagnosed with jaw cancer. She had four major surgeries in six months and died in September. During that time she was treated by world class doctors, and supported by a home health care system that was exemplary. Our out of pocket cost was approximately $3500. Without Medicare my house would have been sold and any savings we have would have been wiped out. Medicare and/or Obamacare may not be perfect, but they are a step in the right direction.

Opening up Medicare is very different than "Obamacare" - which is really the bill that was passed by the Democrat controlled Congress and House under his guidance.

Americans, for the most part, want to open up Medicare to the country -- 65% in fact. But they are not supportive of the current legislation as it stands. People are angry about mandates without cost controls, people are angry about the roadblocks to single payer that are built into the bill, people are angry about what has happened to women's reproductive rights, people are angry about the sell out of our politicians to the health insurance industry.

You have been sipping too long at the sickeningly sweet cup of gradualism. Spouting exactly what the health insurance companies want you to say. "It may not be perfect, but we have to work on it." "It's all we've got." "What choice do we have? We are powerless."

BARF.

That's exactly what the health insurance mobsters with their hit lists and their investigations of people who oppose them, want you to say. These writers here are getting their perks and their health plans in order to say it. They're not social activists! Including William Rivers Pitt who was finally bought off with a health plan for his wife. Now he too sings songs of gratitude to God The Insurance Company he appreciates so much. Thank you Lord! Thank you!

BARF.

When "your" health care is nothing more than a chunk of MY paycheck, then I'll do my best to keep it from you. Shame on your mother for raising you to be a thief.

These righties always complaining about their paychecks don't seem to feel that people shoveling them their groceries at check-out stands, their lattes before they bustle off to the office, their auto mechanics, their lawn help, their housekeepers, their daycare providers, their garbage collectors, or anyone who makes their lifestyle in America in possible has a right to health care!

00:28, your healthcare is paid for by those people. It's about time you started chipping in a heckofalot more, you national leech!

oh boo hoo, what an absolute embarrassment to what America has become Ms. Dannin. Typical liberal tripe. The "...my Obamacare" title says it all--you think medical care is yours and you're entitled to it just because you exist. Who do you think is going to pay for this? Have you even given that a second's thought?

I am delighted that Obamacare was passed into law. However, Obamacare is a terrible plan that will not control costs, improve quality of care, or significantly increase access to care. The beauty of Obamacare is that it forces us to really search for a plan that DOES provide everyone a medical home with comprehensive care at an affordable cost. The so called "common sense health care reforms" of the Republicans won't cut it, and government-run single-payer medicine will minimally reduce costs at the expense of 1-2 million jobs lost. Medicare for all will not improve health outcomes, because ineffective, risky, and expensive medical interventions will continue to be covered by insurance.

Consider "The Health Economy", a health care and economy reform plan that will improve health care outcomes and control costs while adding millions of jobs. The responsibility and accountability for determining health care benefits will be shifted from the government and private insurance companies to private, competing accountable care cooperatives.

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