QE2: It's the Federal Debt, Stupid!

by: Ellen Brown, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis

QE2: It's the Federal Debt, Stupid!
(Image: Lance Page / t r u t h o u t; Adapted: Paul Hocksenar, Max Stanworth, DHANU, photonburst)

Unlike QE1, QE2 is not about saving the banks. It's about saving the country from Greek-like austerity measures necessitated by a burgeoning federal debt. The debt is never paid, but is just rolled over from year to year; but the interest is paid, and it is here that QE2 relieves the pressure, since the Fed rebates its interest to the Treasury. 

The inflation hawks are circling, warning of the dire consequences of the Fed's new QE2 scheme. "Quantitative easing" (QE) is Fedspeak for creating money out of nothing with a computer keystroke. The hawks say QE is massively inflationary; that it is responsible for soaring commodity prices here and abroad; that QE2 won't work any better than an earlier scheme called QE1, which was less about stimulating the economy than about saving the banks; and that QE has caused the devaluation of the dollar, which is hurting foreign currencies and driving up prices abroad.

It might be argued, however - and will be argued here - that QE2 not only will NOT produce these dire effects, but that it is NOT actually about saving the banks, OR devaluing the dollar, OR saving the housing market. It is about saving the government from having to raise taxes or cut programs, and saving Americans from the austerity measures crippling the Irish and the Greeks; and for that, it could well be an effective tool. What is increasing commodity and currency prices abroad is not QE, but the US dollar carry trade; and the carry trade is the result of pressure to keep interest rates artificially low to avoid a crippling interest tab on the federal debt. QE2 can relieve that pressure by funding the debt interest free.

The debt has increased by more than 50 percent since 2006, due to a collapsed economy and the decision to bail out the banks. By the end of 2009, the debt was up to $12.3 trillion; but the interest paid on it ($383 billion) was actually less than in 2006 ($406 billion), because interest rates had been pushed to extremely low levels. Interest now eats up nearly half the government's income tax receipts, which are estimated at $899 billion for FY 2010. Of this, $414 billion will go to interest on the federal debt. Raising interest rates just by a couple of percentage points would make income taxes prohibitive.

Interest rates cannot be raised again to reasonable levels until this interest tab is reduced. And, today, that can be done most expeditiously through QE2 - "monetizing" the debt through the government's own central bank. Only its own central bank will advance credit to the government interest free. Congress also has a computer keyboard and could issue the money not just debt free but interest free, but Congress has not been so bold since the Civil War. The Fed has, therefore, had to step in.

All About Monetizing the Debt

Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke did not want to step in. In January 2010, he admonished Congress:

"We're not going to monetize the debt. It is very, very important for Congress and administration to come to some kind of program, some kind of plan that will credibly show how the United States government is going to bring itself back to a sustainable position."

His concern, according to The Washington Times, was that "the impasse in Congress over tough spending cuts and tax increases needed to bring down deficits will eventually force the Fed to accommodate deficits by printing money and buying Treasury bonds."

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So said The Washington Times, but bond magnate Bill Gross of PIMCO, writing the same month, said the Fed was already monetizing the federal deficit - fully 80 percent of it. Gross wrote in his January Investment Outlook that foreign investors as a group bought only 20 percent of the total 2009 deficit. The rest was substantially purchased by the Federal Reserve:

Of course they purchased more 30-year Agency mortgages than Treasuries, but PIMCO and others sold them those mortgages and bought - you guessed it - Treasuries with the proceeds.... Now, however, the Fed tells us that they're "fed up," or that they think the economy is strong enough for them to gracefully "exit," or that they're confident that private investors are capable of absorbing the balance. Not likely.

"Not likely" became a virtual certainty after November 3, 2010, when Republicans swept the House. There would be no raising of taxes on the rich, and the gridlock in Congress meant there would be no budget cuts either. Compounding the problem was that over the last six months, China has stopped buying US debt, reducing inflows by about $50 billion per month.

In QE1, the Fed bought $1.2 trillion in toxic mortgage-backed securities off the books of the banks, using its power to create money with the click of a mouse. For QE2, Chairman Bernanke was expected to continue to use his QE tool to bail out the banks in this way, but that's not what he did. Immediately after the election, he announced that the Fed would be "monetizing" the federal debt - using its power to create money to buy federal securities on the secondary market, from banks, bond investors and hedge funds. As Gross noted, these investors would then be likely to use the money to buy more Treasuries.

Bernanke said the Fed would buy $600 billion in long-term government bonds at the rate of $75 billion per month, filling the hole left by China. An estimated $275 billion would also be rolled over into Treasuries from the mortgage securities the Fed bought during QE1, which are now reaching maturity. Bernanke said more QE was possible if unemployment stayed high and inflation stayed low (measured by the core Consumer Price Index).

Addison Wiggin noted in his November 4 Five Minute Forecast:

 [I]f the federal budget deficit is supposed to run $1.2 trillion during fiscal 2011 (that's the consensus guess) … and the Fed will purchase $875 billion in Treasuries over the next eight months (that's two-thirds of a year) … then we quickly see the Fed plans to monetize all of the debt that Treasury plans to spit out from now through the middle of next year, and then some.

He quoted Agora Financial's Bill Bonner:

"If this were Greece or Ireland, the government would be forced to cut back. With quantitative easing ready, there is no need to face the music."

Bonner called it "financing America's trip to bankruptcy" with "brand-spanking-new money." But avoiding the Greek and Irish debacles would obviously be a good thing, IF it could be done without inflation resulting; and a close look at the data suggests that this is indeed the case. The Fed's QE power tool not only will NOT endanger price levels under existing circumstances; it could actually bring them down.

What is new and different about the Fed buying federal securities directly is that the Fed, unlike any other buyer, rebates its profits to the government after deducting its costs. In 2008, the Fed reported that it rebated 85 percent of its profits to the government. That means that bond financing through the Fed will be nearly interest-free. The interest rate on the 10-year government bonds the Fed is planning to buy is now 2.66 percent. Fifteen percent of 2.66 percent is the equivalent of a 0.4 percent interest rate, a very good deal for the government.

In eight months, the Fed will own more Treasuries than China and Japan combined, making it the largest holder of government securities outside of the government itself. While this trend, too, has been criticized, you could see it as another very good deal. Why pay interest to foreign central banks when you can get the money nearly interest free from your own central bank?

Ponzi Scheme With a Twist?

Bill Gross is not so sanguine. He calls QE2 "a bigger Ponzi scheme than Charles Ponzi's." He said in his November 2010 Investment Outlook:

Public debt ... has always had a Ponzi-like characteristic.... [T]here was always the assumption that as long as creditors could be found to roll over existing loans - and buy new ones - the game could keep going forever....

Now, however, with growth in doubt, it seems that the Fed has taken Charles Ponzi one step further. Instead of simply paying for maturing debt with receipts from financial sector creditors ... the Fed has joined the party itself.... The Fed, in effect, is telling the markets not to worry about our fiscal deficits, it will be the buyer of first and perhaps last resort.... It is not a Bernanke scheme, because this is his only alternative and he shares no responsibility for its origin.... [Y]ou and I, and the politicians that we elect every two years ... deserve all the blame.

Gross calls it "a picking of the creditor's pocket via inflation and negative real interest rates," but he concedes that it is NOT actually a Ponzi scheme. Ponzi schemes collapse when no more new investors can be found to pay off earlier investors, or when compound interest charges become mathematically unsustainable. In this case, however, the government is not relying on new creditors to roll over the debt. The Fed itself will step in; and the Fed can always be relied on, because it can create the money on its books with a keystroke. Compounding interest charges are not a problem because the Fed can lend to the government essentially interest free.

The federal debt has not been paid off since the 1830s under Andrew Jackson; and on those few occasions when it has been paid down, the result has been to hurt, not help, the economy.

In effect, the federal debt IS our money supply, since nearly all money today originates as bank credit or debt. Better would be for a transparent and publicly-controlled Congress to issue the money it needs outright; but an interest-free loan from the Fed, rolled over indefinitely, is the next best thing.

The Quantity Theory of Money Is Obsolete

The bankers' stock argument to keep governments in borrowing mode is that the greenback solution would be dangerously inflationary. What the bankers have failed to reveal is that their own money scheme is actually more inflationary than for the government to issue money itself. Nearly all money today is created as bank credit or debt; and this money is due back with interest. New loans must continually be taken out to cover the interest not created in the original loans, continually increasing the debt-based money supply.

The bankers rely for their argument on the "Quantity Theory of Money," which holds that more money competing for a fixed amount of goods will drive prices up. But in a post on Minyanville on November 1, James Kostohryz showed that the "dogmatic and simplistic view of the Quantity Theory of Money (QTM), by which increases in the supply of money necessarily lead to price inflation," is obsolete. He wrote:

[D]espite QE1 and the massive expansion of the Fed's balance sheet that this implied, various measures of the money supply ... have actually contracted ....

The fact of the matter is that numerous studies have shown rather definitively that in highly developed economies, the money supply, whatever the definition, has little or no causal connection to inflation. Some studies show a very weak positive correlation; some studies show no substantial correlation; and quite a few studies show negative correlations. And with respect to causation, virtually nothing can be established.

Adding money ("demand") to an economy with high unemployment and unused productive capacity serves to increase productivity, increasing goods and services or "supply." When supply and demand increase together, prices remain stable. And adding money to the money supply is obviously not hazardous when the money supply is shrinking, as it is now. Bank credit is shrinking because banks are DELEVERAGING. Bad debts are wiping out capital, which wipes out lending capacity. At an 8 percent capital requirement, $8 of capital can support $100 in loans; but when capital gets wiped out, this money multiplier effect works in reverse. When capital is written off bank balance sheets, the loans are wiped out as well - in a ratio not just of 1:1 but of 12:1.

Financial commentator Charles Hugh Smith estimates that the economy now faces $15 trillion in writedowns in collateral and credit. The Fed's $2 trillion in new credit/liquidity, he wrote on November 2, is, therefore, insufficient to trigger either inflation or another speculative bubble. His estimates were based on projections from the latest Fed flow of funds (September 17, 2010), which shows the largest reduction in collateral and credit to be in residential real estate. Its current value is $18.8 trillion and its projected value in 2014 is $13.8 trillion, a decline of $5 trillion or 26 percent. Projecting similar declines for commercial real estate, consumer durable goods etc., brings the total to $15 trillion over the next three years, according to Smith.

If those estimates are correct, the Fed could, in theory, print $15 trillion and buy up the entire federal debt without creating price inflation.

That isn't likely to happen, but it does make for an interesting hypothetical. If the federal debt were all held by our own central bank, which then rebated the interest to the government, the Fed could let interest rates rise to reasonable levels without worrying about the interest on the debt. Eliminating the threat of a growing interest bill would allow interest rates to rise again, benefiting those savers who rely on a reasonable return for retirement.

Raising the interest rate would also fix the surging price inflation in commodities and in emerging market investment. This inflation has been blamed on QE, but QE1 barely affected the money supply, as has been shown. This is because it merely involved swapping dollars for other assets on the books of the banks. The idea was to stimulate lending by increasing bank reserves, but the banks already had excess reserves, which they were not lending; so putting more cash on their balance sheets did nothing to increase the availability of consumer and business credit.

Despite surging commodity prices, the overall inflation rate remains very low, because housing has to be factored in, and housing prices have dropped by 28 percent from their peak. Main Street hasn't been flooded with money; the money has just shifted around. Businesses are still having trouble getting reasonable loans and so are prospective homeowners.

What About the Inflation in Commodities?

Critics counter the deflationists by pointing to the obvious price inflation in commodities, notably gold, silver, oil and food. But what is driving these prices up is not a money supply inflated by the Fed. It is a combination of factors including (a) heavy competition for these scarce goods from developing countries, whose economies are growing much faster than ours; (b) the flight of "hot money" from the real estate market, which has nowhere else to go; (c) in the case of soaring food prices, disastrous weather patterns; and (d) speculation, which is fanning the flames. Feeding it all are the extremely low interest rates maintained by the Fed, allowing banks and their investor clients to borrow very cheaply and invest where they can get a much better return than on risky domestic loans.

This carry trade will continue until something is done about the interest tab on the federal debt, since the taxpayers cannot afford for it to shoot up, and Congress would not approve that result. Short of paying down the debt - which is highly unlikely today - the interest tab can be reduced ONLY through QE2.

QE2 is not a "helicopter drop" of money on the banks or on Main Street; it is the Fed funding the government virtually interest free, allowing the government to do what it needs to do without driving up the interest bill on the federal debt. The Fed failed to revive the economy with QE1, but it may yet redeem itself with QE2. QE2 could set a bold precedent prompting other countries to break the chains of debt peonage and fund their governments with their own national credit.

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Ellen Brown developed her research skills as an attorney practicing civil litigation in Los Angeles. In "Web of Debt," her latest book, she turns those skills to an analysis of the Federal Reserve and “the money trust.” She shows how this private cartel has usurped the power to create money from the people themselves, and how we the people can get it back. Her eleven books include Forbidden Medicine, Nature’s Pharmacy (co-authored with Dr. Lynne Walker), and The Key to Ultimate Health (co-authored with Dr. Richard Hansen). Her websites are www.webofdebt.com, www.ellenbrown.com, and www.public-banking.com.


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A whole lot of verbiage

A whole lot of verbiage covering the
same ol' talking points. The real problem
with "QE-2" is that is unfocused.
There is little discussion of the success of the short term government investment in GM
which resulted in saving GM and making a profit for the U.S. government.
Instead of unfocused money printing, we should be
engaged in strategic government investment in key industries.



Holy crap, someone actually

Holy crap, someone actually talking about money supply and monetary policy with some sanity, I thought i'd never see this. SURPRISE: it will never happen on news networks because it doesn't cram neatly into a sound byte.



This sounds good to me -

This sounds good to me - And if it works out, the retirement age must be lowered to 60 and SS benefits increased, from the resulting windfall, This all will follow the Banksters insolvency, prison sentences, and bank nationalization - jobs and housing will then be available for any wag who wants them.



Stop the wars and use the

Stop the wars and use the money to pay down the debt. No more tax breaks for anybody!!! Everybody pays taxes with no loopholes or shelters or breaks. No more earmarks or pork or whatever you want to call it. Sen Simpson says that Social Security is a cow with 300 million teats. It is not the only cow. Stop the madness! Stop the corruption! For Christs sake... if the NCAA can keep college sports above board, why can't the ass wipes in congress do it as well?



I don't see how qe2 will do

I don't see how qe2 will do anything to stimulate demand. Banks aren't loaning money to businesses in the US because no one has money to buy anything and businesses can't grow under those conditions. Workers are constantly worried they will lose their jobs, besides. qe is just a way of underwriting our debt but it has nothing to do with getting us out of this recession. Other countries dislike the policy because it weakens the dollar, making US imports less expensive. At the same time, banks are flush with all of this "free money" and they can spend it buying up foreign assets. What country wants that to happen? Wait until the rest of the world gives up on the dollar as payment for oil (as some countries have already). The price of oil will skyrocket and then we will be in real trouble. Not just higher prices for gas but for food and anything that has to be transported any distance. Can't help but think the downside of qe is like a Katrina level hurricane about to hit.



Is this move going to lead

Is this move going to lead to a robust recovery?

Some economists say no, but it's a good step in the right direction, and it isn't anything new.



Despite the nonsense this

Despite the nonsense this article uses as it presumptive basis, the FED is a private cabal of bankers lending the US money the US Constitution demands we issue ourselves. We would do well to heed the warnings of someone far more qualified to assess the import of this sorry state of affairs, Thomas Jefferson:

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."



Well, this isn't going to

Well, this isn't going to help the Banksters much,
They still need to be thrown in jail.
Lowered interests rates don't really mean much to people who are bleeding debt in the first place, massive deleveraging is needed. This is Kenysian, straight up and this is about best thing left with Monetary Policy to do. Ben Bernanke could start drinking, show up drunk in front of a microphone, that wouldn't help much either. The economy is wretched, the GOP assholes aren't going to help employment - that's for sure.



"Despite this..." is

"Despite this..." is correct!
The problem is the FED,
The American people can buy the Fed out for 36 billion. Why should private bankers basically "own" our country!
It's time for us to take our country back!!



Whatever this is all about,

Whatever this is all about, I am FOR getting privateers out of the money system altogether. They are the biggest mafia mobsters in the country. Nationalize the banks before the next Congress is in place. Hurry up folks.



After all is said and done,

After all is said and done, it's like trying to lose weight without the discipline of eating less and exercising more - a magic diet pill. The results will be as illusory as the other snake oil nostrums we have been fed by the financial elite.



The Fed is finally doing at

The Fed is finally doing at least part of what needs to be done - let federal government create new money interest free and use it to invest in what this country really needs.

There remain a couple of issues: (1) It is causing inflation in the international arena (commodities) but not where it is most needed - in the exchange rate with China, (2) The federal budget is heavily biased toward wasteful military spending, when what is needed is green infrastructure.



Why not stop warring with

Why not stop warring with everyone and save a trillion dollars every year or so? What's the matter with you bloodthirsty fuckers anyway?



You may be the most ignorant

You may be the most ignorant woman in the nation. This is unreal.

YOU CANNOT MULTIPLY WEALTH BY DIVIDING IT!!!

READ HAYEK!!!
READ ROTHBARD!!!

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! READ MISES!!!

More authors like you, and we're doomed. Give up. Please.



Gutsy, Objective argument,

Gutsy, Objective argument, Ellen!

I feel the same way and between the knee-jerk anti-Fed and anti-establishment opinions on the internet there is no home for the idea that QE1 should have upset the American people, but QE2 might be a very different story.

I see them as different. If this is true, it must be explained over and over...

I don't think it's a coincidence that all the big money boys loved QE1 and they're mostly criticizing QE2.

No coincidence with money.



"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! READ

"FOR THE LOVE OF GOD!!! READ MISES!!!"

This is like telling someone to read up on "intelligent design" literature to bone up on their science.

Mises is also the idiot who says government intervention doesn't help grow jobs/economies when there's a whole damn city in the middle of the nevada desert which serves as living proof to the contrary.

The money multiplier effect has been the foundation of every major economy since lending became a practice. It pre-dates fiat currency, and existed even in roman times.

Someone, someone PLEASE revise and patch the massive holes in k-12 econ so we don't have idiots like this running around voting on what they "know" about economics.



What a breath of fresh

What a breath of fresh air.Oh look here what President Jefferson said, 100's of years ago, sounding familiar? "If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks...will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
... The modern theory of the perpetuation of debt has drenched the earth with blood, and crushed its inhabitants under burdens ever accumulating". -Thomas Jefferson



I found one especially

I found one especially troubling error in this article: Ellen doesn't discriminate between private debt and public debt. Private debt is generally used to increase the pool of goods and services and therefore contributes to the aggregate growth of the economy. Government debt is almost entirely consumed by the military and transfer payments and therefor contributes next to nothing to increase the pool of goods and services which is, of necessity, the base from which taxes are extracted to service and/or retire existing government debt.

Private debt is a useful tool for growing the economy. Public debt is a burden, a drag on the economy. And like any burden, it can grow only so large before it becomes unbearable.

Growing only the Government as is happening through the Fed's monetization of Federal debt. is growing only the burden that must be born by the private sector. In other places at other times this strategy has crushed economies and destroyed republics. It is a high risk solution to a fundamental problem: how to successfully balance the public and private sectors.



Great article, Ellen! "If

Great article, Ellen!

"If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the honest sort provided by the Constitution pays nobody but those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the other helps the People." -Thomas Edison



Sure, BUT, all of this

Sure, BUT, all of this economist talk on one side or the other makes sense to economists and in either case on either side is theory. What is NOT theory, but brutally factual is that IT'S THE WAR, STUPID!

Hundreds of thousands, if not millions of government employees or subcontracted killers PRODUCING NOTHING and spending billions is far more responsible for Americas demise than printing the money to cover the costs or selling bonds. It's surely more difficult for our dim-witted leaders to cease that idiocy than to make the theoretical argument that voters don't understand about bills vs bonds. Come on!



"Government debt is almost

"Government debt is almost entirely consumed by the military and transfer payments and therefor contributes next to nothing to increase the pool of goods and services which is, of necessity, the base from which taxes are extracted to service and/or retire existing government debt."

What a load of bunk. The transcontinental railroad, the hoover dam, the government investment in this "pie in the sky" idea of a global information network, clearly none of that contributed to economic growth at all.

We have too many revisionists to be statistically accurate, so which right wing astroturf firms have been hired to give this website's comment section a coat of fake "grass-roots".



Ellen Brown wrote "fund

Ellen Brown wrote
"fund their governments with their own national credit."

Isn't that a contradiction in terms?
Credit is always created with an equal amount of debt. The government can't indebt itself with it's own money - it's like taking 10 dollar out of your wallet and borrow it to yourself - you won't get in debt by doing so.

So what Ellen Brown is in fact suggesting is a Greenback solution - and that is a good thing.



Bravo 08:20 - thanks for

Bravo 08:20 - thanks for cutting through the haze here. Another premise worth more careful examination is the assumption that the Federal Reserve Bank is 'our' central bank - it most decidedly is not, as it has private stockholders who are not even disclosed (and is the only central bank in the world not owned by it's country) - furthermore, it is the only corporation in the US that is not subject to audit, making even their claimed 'return of interest to the Treasury' suspect. This makes any proclamations or plans based on the Fed's own accounting very shakey.



In general, Brown's idea

In general, Brown's idea that pain can be prevented by printing more money is a fantasy - what we face is a consequence of what we've already done, not a choice of what we're going to feel. We have accumulated an unpayable debt and we will renegue, via inflation as the least disruptive course. The best we can hope for is to stop racking up more debt - Federal spending RARELY is carried out with the same discipline or focus as an individual, or a community, spending their 'own' money - 'economies of scale' be damned. Call me a 'knuckle dragging Austrian economist' but you don't spend your way out of debt. WRT Hoover dam, or a few other Federal programs that haven't been scrapped yet - I say 'even a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while'.



Most of you are right, to

Most of you are right, to one degree or another. That quote from Jefferson was what got Lincoln moving in that direction when he issued his 'greenbacks' to save the Union and finance the Civil War.
We seem to keep forgetting that Congress can and should DO this! What we ALSO keep forgetting is that the INTEREST on the debt is what is killing us-and that is not a necessary evil by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes, LET the banks fail! All we need do is NOTHING. If we simply do not CHANGE the laws on the books, or bail them out again, they will fail because of the massive fraud they committed in this securitized mortgage/foreclosure debacle. It would be high time we seized our economy back from the big banks and their investors. I think it's either this, or we will see bloody revolution on our shores, in our time.

BTW....Jefferson ALSO said:
"The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants."



I just had an

I just had an epiphany...
President Obama's number one hero in history is Abe Lincoln. Do think this argument is lost on him? Best case scenario? The foreclosure crisis (and it's massive) pushes the banks into insolvency again. THIS time Obama says 'NOT too big to fail and Nationalizes them one by one-or in one fell swoop.

Look for a run-up starting just after the Holidays....and complete Nationalization before the next Congress is seated.

Wouldn't it be amazing to have this massive pooch screw turn into our emancipation from the banksters?

Hey, I can dream!



Fix our economy by

Fix our economy by re-inflating the bubble that caused the mess? Good plan.

When your economy is in a bubble, the collapse of the bubble, no matter how painful, IS the solution to the problem. QE2 just pushes the problem into the future, and will guarantee that the inevitable collapse is even more painful.



Ellen knows about the

Ellen knows about the solution to our national debt, but doesn't approach it. If Wall Street paid a transaction tax on securities trades, the debt would vanish. But WS doesn't, merely uses congress and the Fed as a cash cow, so the economy languishes.

It will take a far more informed electorate to enable congress to move to levy Wall Street to pay its fair share of taxes for the privilege of doing business. The WS lobby is large and powerful, and has its minions throughout congress and the administration. Plus this initiative isn't something MSM is going to report, because it is part of the game.

When asked why he robbed banks, the thief John Dillion replied, "That's where the money is." If we want to erase the deficit and return to financial solvency, we need to go to Wall Street, for that is where the money is. It is in this over-inflated, under-taxed sector.



This is good but the problem

This is good but the problem I have is the rumor that the bonds will be purchased from Goldman Sachs instead of directly from the Treasury. Goldman Sachs will own them first?



This is what I have been

This is what I have been thinking for some time. It now appears that Fed policy may have settled in this direction.

It is beyond me why anyone would think of this as being controversial since in the end the Fed can simply write off the debt, period. What about bank reserves you say? Good question.

They could simultaneously sterilise half of QE3 and QE4 and... and slowly increase bank reserves to 100%. Then Ellen and Bill Still et al would have their wish. Transferring the Fed function at that point to the Treasury would be a simple matter.



If QE2 works so well, then

If QE2 works so well, then why do we even have to pay taxes? Just let the Fed buy treasuries, give the interest back to the Treasury, and do it all over again. US needs $100 trillion to fund Medicare and SS? Just print more bonds and sell them to the Fed. I don't see any problem with this.



And a weaker dollar makes it

And a weaker dollar makes it easier to sell abroad your manufactured items. That is if you still manufacture items.



It is like paying due old

It is like paying due old IOU with a new IOU, and keep on roll over forever! WOW! Only the USA can do this with her military might. Might is right. The right to pay due IOU with a new IOU!



QE2 will help a little with

QE2 will help a little with regard to reducing interest payments on the national debt.

Anyone who is forecasting hyperinflation (e.g.: austrian economists) in the current situation of private sector deleveraging is profoundly wrong.

The only criticism of Ellen here is that she is ignoring the role of 'interest on reserves' that the Fed pays to banks. QE2 will increase these reserves and there will therefore be increased interest paid on them. So this rate might need to be reduced to zero to allow true 'interest free borrowing' by the government.



If Titus is going to bolster

If Titus is going to bolster his arguments by quoting historical figures, he should not attribute to "John Dillion" the alleged quip by Willie Sutton.



Ethics demand that you live

Ethics demand that you live within your means and repay your debts in time! Playing around with figures or fudging them is going to boomerang on you! Whether you are a nation or an individual is immaterial! Learn to live within your means! Cut ostentatious and unnecessary spending!



No, it's the jobs, stupid.

No, it's the jobs, stupid. And quantitative easing creates no jobs.



Sat, 11/13/2010 - 18:34 —

Sat, 11/13/2010 - 18:34 — Jay (not verified)

"This is good but the problem I have is the rumor that the bonds will be purchased from Goldman Sachs instead of directly from the Treasury. Goldman Sachs will own them first?"

Goldman Sachs already owns them. They get to do what China wished it could do: dump their bonds before they become worthless.



Truthout, are you sure you

Truthout, are you sure you have the right Ellen Brown?

Yes, the fed rebates its profits to the treasury, but it still has an unbelievable amount of power of the people and the government. You'd have to be crazy to think that the fed is some kind of benign agent.

QE2 won't cause domestic dollar inflation unless the banks suddenly start lending out boatloads of money. But in order to do that, they'd have to generate loans like crazy, even to people who couldn't pay it back. Why, it would be impossible to even keep up with the paperwork, they'd have to bypass state recording requirements... Oh wait.

It's not hard to believe that the U.S. is coming to an end, but it is hard to believe it will end well.



Well, Anonymous on 11/16 at

Well, Anonymous on 11/16 at 22:12 - While the US may end less horribly than we imagine in our fretful nightmares, it will not end intact; and we will not be around to help our great-great-great-great-grandchildren work out the problems.



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