But what can we do when half the Congress on "our side" has sold out to the oligarchy?

"President Obama has been put on the defensive."

I can't believe you dropped this little piece of Centrist Propaganda shit.

How dare you! Obama is in the driver's seat and driving just as he intended to even before his election.

For Christ's sake, wake up!

....by doing what?

We have to stop thinking we can explain the facts to the other side, that will win the day. Conservatives have their own set of facts from Fox News and conservative talk radio. Liberals have to speak to the middle and not get in engaged in the "we found crazy tea party saying something stupid" game. They don't CARE about saying something stupid. They operate on their own set of facts. They've been conditioned to know with certainty that facts from elsewhere are not to be trusted. Speak with strength to the middle and stop thinking engaging the right will produce a "win".

the majority (of dems) are corporate dems and they could not let go of their personal addictions so they did not put up the Good Fight

I suggest using the democratic Party apparatus to take back the party and get some real dems in

generational (20 year) term limits would go along way towards keeping the government more responsive to the real world w/o catastrophic upheaval

Obameh: Bush Stooge diving his getaway car, indeed and ChristMAS (Make A Stink), as ill. In a NEW Party, not including DEM, like the precedent Bush STOOGES, Billary, Gore and Kerry, John. And now, CHUMP! First, like the above, REFRAME; and then quit fighting merely for the fund of it!

We/someone needs to target small town America.....have you ever read some of the small town press? If each one of us chose a small town newspaper, and wrote consistent editorials pointing out the truth, we might get somewhere...Same goes for small radio stations...all the churchy "values" oriented small town stations...Some just buy pre-recorded crap/tapes and play them over and over....have any of you ever actually listened to them?

Most progressives live in the cities and have no idea how taken over/brainwashed the rural areas are...

I've been a liberal democrat all my life and proud of it. But I'm done. Obama has sold us out. Blue dog democrats have sold us out. I will never vote again. I will never spend any money on any political party again. I'm checking out. Perhaps I'm even moving away.

I know my post is not helpful. I wish I could do better.

Stop griping and whining and get up and do something besides calling Obama names. Did everyone responding on this page canvass before the 2010 elections, make phone calls, contact Senators and Representatives to express concerns? If not, SHUT UP!!!

granny is hilarious, wanting us to campaign for wolves in sheep's clothing.

I'd sooner cut off my own legs than hand them another knife and turn my back again.

This nation can burn for all I care, the idiots who continue to buy the BS shoveled to them by the propaganda machines, who shouted down the sane, can stew in their own juices.

MySpace is owned by Murdock and Co. Not Facebook.

"President Obama has been put on the defensive" my ass! His assigned role is to govern as a corporate-beholden Republicrat president that everybody hates, and after his one term, make way for an official Republican president and congress. He's doing great, no?

The problem with the progressive movement isn't the message, or even the communication infrastructure. It's the people in the movement. Fox's ratings demolish all others combined because they know how to communicate with people. The likes of Olbermann and Maddow are far too pompous and condescending for anyone in the mainstream to care about what they say. Until progressives can learn to talk about their message without shouting empty rhetoric, and cease being the pompous asses they come off as, their message will be disregarded as nonsense. Once progressives learn how to communicate effectively to real people, their message will see more acceptance.

"Many of our young people, are so disconnected due to technological distractions that a complete corporate takeover of government could happen and they wouldn't know what hit 'em."

Oh, we are quite aware, more aware than most of the 40+ crowd gives us credit for. We are also, as a demographic, somewhere between lenin and marx on the political spectrum. We have had our common culture, which started with napster, continually criminalized, and thus concluded there is nobody out there representing us, and nobody will until millions of clueless old geezers kick the bucket. We have thus concluded the majority of western established government is a tyrrany to be circumvented, not a hopeful cause to be changed.

Obama convinced a critical mass of our generation he would represent our values, then stabbed us in the back. Good luck courting our engagement for another decade. Enjoy your fascism.

12:28 +RIGHT--'you have to stop buying and get off your axx..' yes!!Corporations are wealthy b/c who is buying their stuff? Stop or avoid -- minimally.Try alternatives. Talk to people around you: friends who say this has 'always worked great' and are then applying for social benefits needs to be educated. The guy with the 20-year old beatuptruck w/ brightest Rep bumperstickers. Say something--politely and civilly, but TALK. A bumpersticker is a public communication, inviting responsa.
->05:55, you are right. Learn from our mistakes, make you public servants accountable.Circumvent if you wish, but you had better do more than just that.

One thing that can happen starts with the few Progressive politicians who even get on the TV anymore. If on the News Hour, CNN, or Fox, keep talking and don't shut up until the anchor asks you to, and then make sure to interrupt when the 'winger politician starts to lie. They've been sucking up all the air in the TV studios for years, and it's about time we Progressives start doing the same thing: catapulting the TRUTH!
And MSNBC needs to have weekend programming: how about giving some of the Pacifica Radio and Free Speech TV people shows on the weekends when Olbermann, Shultz, and Maddow are taking a break?

"You can't point-and-click your way to a revolution."

Really?

wikipedia "operation payback"

Mr. Lakoff came up with a catchy description of "framing". It got a lot of attention, but the one thing it did not do is teach Democrats how to sell soap.

Lakoff's ideas are true but a lot of Democrats wasted a lot of time trying to find clever ways of re-framing political issues for their own benefit. It didn't work.

It didn't work because the part of neuro-linguistics that does work was best described by a rogue movement called Neurolingistic Programming (NLP).

NLP lacked academic respectability. It was aimed at therapists, but it was also taught to the general public. Some of the people who used their techniques achieved amazing results. Others took a few classes but didn't develop the skill to do very much.

Re-framing was one of many techniques taught as part of NLP At the start, they analyzed techniques used by successful therapists and tried to build models that explained how any why these techniques worked.

A motivational sales instructor named Tony Robbins took a couple of NLP classes and then appropriated the entire concept and marketed it as his own deal.

A large number of people think that NLP is what Mr. Robbins and his followers were teaching. It wasn't.

At one point, a murder charge was filed against one of the two founders of NLP. It took a couple of years before the charges were dropped and NLP as a movement had fallen apart by that time.

NLP provided the pieces that Mr. Lakoff has largely ignored. The academic community does not want to be associated with a "cult" even if the cult provided useful theories and techniques that actually worked.

NLP was a sensory based psychology. A truncated, not completely accurate, description is that thinking consists of making pictures in your head, talking to yourself about those pictures and testing the feelings that are evoked by the pictures and the words.

This is done repetitively - like a loop in a computer program - and when the feelings are strong enough, the person exits the loop - making a decision.

These mini-programs were called "strategies" and originally, much of NLP was devoted to figuring out what strategies a person was using and figuring out how to change those strategies when they led to undesirable results.

A "frame" is a description that helps determine how someone perceives the world. It can also define the emotions that someone experiences under the circumstances defined by the "frame".

Understanding a frame is pretty much useless unless you know how to modify that frame, and that modification usually requires a skillful use of emotion.

(Several months ago, I wrote to Mr. Lakoff about these issues, but received no response.)

If you like the ideas that Mr. Lakoff presented, you might want to do your own research and find the pieces he did not provide.

In case you missed it the first time around, here's a petition to the Michael Moores of our society. In hope, these well funded individuals will aid us in the media battle.

http://www.truth-out.org/an-open-letter-left-establishment65848

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