Socialism? The Rich Are Winning the US Class War: Facts Show Rich Getting Richer, Everyone Else Poorer

by: Bill Quigley, t r u t h o u t | News Analysis

Socialism? The Rich Are Winning the US Class War: Facts Show Rich Getting Richer, Everyone Else Poorer
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The rich and their paid false prophets are doing a bang-up job deceiving the poor and middle class. They have convinced many that an evil socialism is alive in the land and it is taking their fair share. But the deception cannot last - facts say otherwise.

Yes, there is a class war - the war of the rich on the poor and the middle class - and the rich are winning. That war has been going on for years. Look at the facts - facts the rich and their false paid prophets do not want people to know.

Let Glenn Beck go on about socialists descending on Washington. Allow Rush Limbaugh to rail about "class warfare for a leftist agenda that will destroy our society." They are well compensated false prophets for the rich.

The truth is that for several decades the rich in the US have been getting richer and the poor and middle class have been getting poorer. Look at the facts, then make up your own mind.

Poor Getting Poorer: Facts

The official US poverty numbers show we now have the highest number of poor people in 51 years. The official US poverty rate is 14.3 percent or 43.6 million people in poverty. One in five children in the US is poor; one in ten senior citizens is poor. (Source: US Census Bureau.)

One of every six workers, 26.8 million people, is unemployed or underemployed. This "real" unemployment rate is over 17 percent. There are 14.8 million people designated as "officially" unemployed by the government, a rate of 9.6 percent. Unemployment is worse for African-American workers, of whom 16.1 percent are unemployed. Another 9.5 million people who are working only part-time while they are seeking full-time work, but have had their hours cut back or are so far only able to find work part-time, are not counted in the official unemployment numbers. Also, an additional 2.5 million are reported unemployed, but not counted because they are classified as discouraged workers in part because they have been out of work for more than 12 months. (Source: US Department of Labor Bureau of Labor Statistics October 2010 report.)

The median household income for whites in the US is $51,861, for Asians it is $65,469, for African-Americans it is $32,584, for Latinos it is $38,039. (Source: US Census Bureau.)

Fifty million people in the US lack health insurance. (Source: US Census Bureau.)

Women in the US have a greater lifetime risk of dying from pregnancy-related conditions than women in 40 other countries. African-American US women are nearly four times more likely to die of pregnancy-related complications than white women. (Source: Amnesty International Maternal Health Care Crisis in the USA.)

About 3.5 million people, about one-third of which are children, are homeless at some point in the year in the US. (Source: National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty.)

Outside Atlanta, 33,000 people showed up to seek applications for low-cost, subsidized housing in August 2010. When Detroit offered emergency utility and housing assistance to help people facing evictions, more than 50,000 people showed up for the 3,000 vouchers. (Source: News reports.)

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There are 49 million people in the US who live in households which eat only because they receive food stamps, visit food pantries or soup kitchens for help. Sixteen million are so poor they have skipped meals or foregone food at some point in the last year. This is the highest level since statistics have been kept. (Source: US Department of Agriculture, Economic Research Service.)

Middle Class Going Backward: Facts

One or two generations ago it was possible for a middle-class family to live on one income. Now, it takes two incomes to try to enjoy the same quality of life. Wages have not kept up with inflation; adjusted for inflation, they have lost ground over the past ten years. The cost of housing, education and health care have all increased at a much higher rate than wages and salaries. In 1967, the middle 60 percent of households received over 52 percent of all income. In 1998, it was down to 47 percent. The share going to the poor has also fallen, with the top 20 percent seeing their share rise. (Mark Trumball, "Obama's challenge: reversing a decade of middle-class decline," Christian Science Monitor, January 25, 2010.)

A record 2.8 million homes received a foreclosure notice in 2009, higher than both 2008 and 2007. In 2010, the rate is expected to be rise to three million homes. (Sources: Reuters and RealtyTrac.)

Eleven million homeowners (about one in four homeowners) in the US are "under water" or owe more on their mortgages than their house is worth. (Source: "Home truths," The Economist, October 23, 2010.)

For the first time since the 1940s, the real incomes of middle-class families are lower at the end of the business cycle of the 2000s than they were at the beginning. Despite the fact that the American workforce is working harder and smarter than ever, they are sharing less and less in the benefits they are creating. This is true for white families, but even truer for African-American families whose gains in the 1990s have mostly been eliminated since then. (Source: Jared Bernstein and Heidi Shierholz, State of Working America.)

Rich Getting Richer: Facts

The wealth of the richest 400 people in the US grew by 8 percent in the last year to $1.37 trillion. (Source: Forbes 400: The super-rich get richer, September 22, 2010, Money.com.)

The top hedge fund manager of 2009, David Tepper, "earned" $4 billion last year. The rest of the top ten earned: $3.3 billion, $2.5 billion, $2.3 billion, $1.4 billion, $1.3 billion (tie for sixth and seventh place), $900 million (tie for eighth and ninth place) and in last place out of the top ten, $825 million. (Source: Business Insider, "Meet the top 10 earning hedge fund managers of 2009.")

Income disparity in the US is now as bad as it was right before the Great Depression at the end of the 1920s. From 1979 to 2006, the richest 1 percent more than doubled their share of the total US income, from 10 percent to 23 percent. The richest 1 percent have an average annual income of more than $1.3 million. For the last 25 years, over 90 percent of the total growth in income in the US went to the top 10 percent earners - leaving 9 percent of all income to be shared by the bottom 90 percent. (Source: Jared Bernstein and Heidi Shierholz, State of Working America.)

In 1973, the average US CEO was paid $27 for every dollar paid to a typical worker; by 2007 that ratio had grown to $275 for every $1. (Source: Jared Bernstein and Heidi Shierholz, State of Working America.)

Since 1992, the average tax rate on the richest 400 taxpayers in the US dropped from 26.8 percent to 16.62 percent. (Source: US Internal Revenue Service.)

The US has the greatest inequality between rich and poor among all Western industrialized nations, and it has been getting worse for 40 years. The World Factbook, published by the CIA, includes an international ranking of the inequality among families inside of each country, called the Gini Index. The US ranking of 45 in 2007 is the same as Argentina, Cameroon and Cote d'Ivorie. The highest inequality can be found in countries like Namibia, South Africa, Haiti and Guatemala. The US ranking of 45 compares poorly to Japan (38), India (36), New Zealand, UK (34), Greece (33), Spain (32), Canada (32), France (32), South Korea (31), Netherlands (30), Ireland (30), Australia (30), Germany (27), Norway (25) and Sweden (23). (Source: CIA, The World Factbook.) 

Rich people live an average of about five years longer than poor people in the US. Naturally, gross inequality has consequences in terms of health, exposure to unhealthy working conditions, nutrition and lifestyle. In 1980, the most well-off in the US had a life expectancy of 2.8 years over the least well-off. As the inequality gap widens, so does the life expectancy gap. In 1990, the gap was a little less than four years. In 2000, the least well-off could expect to live to age of 74.7, while the most well-off had a life expectancy of 79.2 years. (Source: Elise Gould, "Growing disparities in life expectancy," Economic Policy Institute.)

Conclusion

These are extremely troubling facts for anyone concerned about economic fairness, equality of opportunity and justice.

Thomas Jefferson once observed that the systematic restructuring of society to benefit the rich over the poor and middle class is a natural appetite of the rich. "Experience declares that man is the only animal which devours his own kind, for I can apply no milder term to ... the general prey of the rich on the poor." But Jefferson also knew that justice can only be delayed so long when he said, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, that his justice cannot sleep forever."

The rich talk about the rise of socialism to divert attention from the fact that they are devouring the basics of the poor and everyone else. Many of those crying socialism the loudest are doing it to enrich or empower themselves. They are right about one thing - there is a class war going on in the US. The rich are winning their class war and it is time for everyone else to fight back for economic justice.

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Bill Quigley  is legal director at the Center for Constitutional Rights and a law professor at Loyola University New Orleans. He is a Katrina survivor and has been active in human rights in Haiti for years with the Institute for Justice and Democracy in Haiti. He can be reached at quigley77@gmail.com.


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Your link to the World

Your link to the World Factbook's Gini Index is wrong - it's the same IRS doc as the link immediately prior.



Timely article--couldn't

Timely article--couldn't agree more. Plutocracy is on the rise in America. This talk of "socialism" while taxes are lower than they were under Nixon and Reagan and the wealth disparity is the greatest since right before the Great Depression is simply delusional. The Right Wing maintains that we need to cut taxes for the rich so they'll create jobs. In fact, the Bush tax cuts have been in effect since 2001. And where are the jobs?? The truth is that the rich are hoarding their wealth and using it to buy politicians who will help skew wealth disparities even more. Some people can never get enough money, no matter how much they already have and no matter what they have to do to get it. It's a kind of psychosis, and in this country, where the worship of self-centered greed is a cultural disease, it is destroying the quality of life of the masses and the environment. To stop it, all people need to do is to see through the fog of ideology. But for the most part the U.S. is simply a nation of nitwits being manipulated by the plutocrats. The rich want to erode educational standards and funding while beefing up propaganda operations (such as Faux News) so that they can push the envelope even further, disempowering everyone else as much as possible. We need to be fighting back with everything we've got.



Take away Americas voice and

Take away Americas voice and freedom,Shatter the families,Build a pool of prospective Soldiers to carry on endless wars for Democracy,Divide us in hate and fear,Ruin our education system so we are ignorant,Poison us at the Grocery,Pharmacy and the Media Outlets!
How long will this SHIT continue?



...also, the Gini Index is

...also, the Gini Index is not a 'ranking' as this article mistakenly termed it (although one could certainly rank countries based on their Gini scores). Rank implies ordinality; calling it a 'rating' or 'score' (or simply, 'index') would be more appropriate.

Here's the definition of the index:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/fields/2172.html



I am grateful for this

I am grateful for this abundance of data. I have felt exactly this way for a long time, but haven't had the impetus to dig into it. Thanks. So why aren't there any highly-paid talking heads on CNN or elsewhere blaring this information over the airwaves? Oh, right. The rich also control the airwaves, along with everything else.



In the past 10 days I have

In the past 10 days I have submitted commentary to a newspaper and two web sites (one truthout). In one, I reported statistics for the 80 years of past administrations showing higher taxes have consistently added jobs and tax cuts have consistently increased unemployment. In another I reported statistics on the enormous concentration of wealth which occurred even with progressive taxation with a top marginal rate of 80%. In the third I pointed out the data showed the export of jobs to China was not related to lower labor costs but to the fact that big money no longer has any interest in investments in making things. In each case my comments were blocked as unacceptable content. It would be easy to believe in a conspiracy but my (university) computer people tell me the current round of commercial filters assume students are the major source of spam so the newest filters are very suspicious of anything originating fron a .edu domain.



The problem as a British

The problem as a British friend of mine pointed out is that "All Americans think they are only one step away from making it and being rich...."



Sorry, the 'fog of

Sorry, the 'fog of ideology' has totally encompassed the majority of the people in this country. We are all so accustomed to following the Pied Piper..wherever he says go..we go. In other words, we have become so dumbed down that many do not even recognize what doo- doo they are plowing through anymore. What was once an educational system that the rest of the world envied is now no more. This is the aim of the ones that have taken control...we are all being slowly and insidiously programmed to be slaves to the System..so education must go. Why is it that people have not recognized the Plan of World Conquest by the Fascist that dominate..while they throw out smokescreens by screaming 'Socialism', in order to divert us from their true agenda of Fascism. The Nazis are alive and well and living among us.

We could only wish...even Jesus would approve of Socialism ! The main part of His Teaching was "the Golden Rule." And also," What you do for the least of these, you also do unto Me." Limbaugh, Beck, and the rest of the Loonies will surely pay for preaching their lies to the uneducated, who clearly have no ability to Reason for themselves anymore. Hell is not punishment enough for that cabal of traitors to pay for the damage they have caused.



The rich are getting richer

The rich are getting richer because our government is getting bigger and bigger. Reverse this trend and more people will have wealth. Plus, we are plagued by more central planning and harsh governmental controls. We need a flexible, open-ended systems similar to the ones scientists have found in swarm intelligences -- no central control.



First and foremost- I agree

First and foremost- I agree with your facts. I like your article, and I support the message that you're putting out there.

However, I am left with a few questions and think that you could probably enhance your article a little more than it already is if they are answered.

1) What is the percent growth disparity between wealthy individuals and the poorest individuals? In other words- during the great depression, what percentage of the american population was considered to be the modern equivalent of the "Top 1%"? What was the ratio then and now? (if there is one)

2) Who is now buying all of the homes that went on to be foreclosed? Are they banks? Which Banks? How are they connected to development firms using their newly-purchased-by-someone-else lands to accommodate the fact that homelessness is about to be big in this country despite the surplus of empty homes?

3) well.. not really a question. Thanks for sharing the article. I'm no socialist, I'm no millionaire, and I'm not a libertarian... however, taxes should be the same across the board. If people want TRUE competition, then level the playing field and put an end to corporate personhood.



Get Ready. Everyone: SOAK

Get Ready. Everyone: SOAK THE RICH.

I'm no great intellect, but I've known for a very long time (approaching 90) that yes indeed, we have socialism in this country, but it is confined to the wealthy. The rest of us suffer capitalism. P-e-e-e-u-u-u-u-u.



"The rich are getting richer

"The rich are getting richer because our government is getting bigger and bigger."

This comment is both ludicrous and disingenuous. It's more of the propaganda that helped create the very situation we're in.

A weaker, compliant, deregulating government serves the interests of the super-rich--which is why the Koch brothers and company are doing everything in their power to spread their radical libertarian memes and to elect supposedly anti-government Republicans.

Of course, it's not that simple. Republicans are hardly anti-government when it comes to deficit spending, military adventures, and spreading the wealth upward.



Is it learned helplessness

Is it learned helplessness that has me feeling like there is absolutely nothing I can do in the face of America's fall? No. It's self knowledge. Unless I were a billionaire, I have zero resources to fight this onslaught of greed. America has had it and we are headed for a depression that will make the 30's look like a picnic. In 1929 more people lived in rural areas but now, they live like rats in a cage piled on top of each other in cities. When transportation breaks down because gas/diesel costs too much, there won't be grocery stores full of food anymore. Social programs will become a thing of the past and ALL poor people will be desperate, and MOST people will be poor. When energy becomes scarce, the power will go off. That will start riots (no TV). When the water goes off they'll really freak out. All the Prozac in the world won't keep starving city dwellers from killing each other for scraps of food, water, or anything they can get their hands on. Is that what the wealthy conservatives want? It sure looks that way to this uninsured, working poor American.



When the power elite are the

When the power elite are the only humans left alive on the planet because they have starved to death 99.99999% of the global population, and they have to grow their own food and chop wood for heat, I wonder how happy they will all be holding all of that money



1. stop tax deductions other

1. stop tax deductions other than the basic
2. at the end of the year recalculate the tax for the year just past to collect enough to pay the deficit and 10% of the debt
stongly graduate the tax from zero at the poverty level to a hundred percent if necessary at the billionaire level in order to accoplish (2)
3. have a never ending supply of jobs available at the minumum wage all to improve our common weal but none essential in the medium term

All this would slow initiative and consumerism which is what we need to lower our impact on the Earth and to allow for less work and more real living.



I made a comment on T.O. two

I made a comment on T.O. two or three years ago in which I said people only need to understand two words: CLASS WAR.

I'm glad people are waking up.

When the morning stretch is over, what are you going to do at high noon?



The right wing are all liars

The right wing are all liars and murderers. The law means nothing to them. They should be dealt with accordingly.

Anyone who denies this is either a fool or a paid agent of the KuKluxers.



It's not a war; it's a

It's not a war; it's a massacre. In a war, both sides fight. As it is now the rich are waging war, while the rest of us are distracted by bogus issues disseminated by the mainstream media. Some of us even fight on the side of the rich against our own interests.

As our situations become more desperate, we struggle just to survive, while the wealthy hold pity parties because they had to walk away from the mortgage on a second (or third or fourth) home. All this in the face of record bonuses and profits for corporate America.



After reading this I sent

After reading this I sent the Washington Post a letter to the editor that included some facts quoted in this article in between the following...

Below is a dispatch from the front lines of the class war being waged by the rich, and enabled by their lap-dog allies in the press like the Washington Post...

...Now, you all are not quite on the same plane as Fox News, but close. This war, like all wars, begins in a burst of giddy enthusiasm. I mean, you all are crushing the opposition, winning every battle on every front. But remember, the population of the US is about 300,000,000--so when the war starts in earnest it will be about 294,000,000 poor against 6.000,000 rich. And it's not like they won't know where to find you all in your $30,000,000 homes.
And while it's my opinion Americans are the stupidest people on earth, they'll have more time to think once they're homeless and jobless and hopeless--and very, very angry.
Oh, and congratulations on your recent successes!



The Real Republican Ideology

The Real Republican Ideology

Mitch McConnell the Republican senate minority leader said today, “The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president.”

There’s the real Republican ideology! To hell with the economy, to hell with unemployment, to hell with the deficit, to hell with the middle class, to hell with the country, the most important thing we want is to win!

Are we only pawns to them in their quest for power? Do they care more about politics and winning than restoring our country? Do we really want these unpatriotic bastards back in control?



Welcome to the new

Welcome to the new feudalism, where 98% of the people live degradation, deprivation, misery and squalor, while the obscenely wealthy few live in exquisite luxury. We even have a heraldry of sorts, in corporate logos. This is the result of 65 years of superpower status coupled with the superstitions of private property of the wealthy and patriotism of the poor, and the personhood of corporations. The real boost came with Reaganomics: globalization, tax breaks for the wealthy, deregulation and the deliberate sabotage of government. It's enough to make a serf feel right proud, ain't it?

This is what the Repugs have wanted since before FDR, and unwary progressives have let them pull it off.

Is this a wonderful country or what?



Vote. Spread the word.

Vote. Spread the word.



Marxism, communism,

Marxism, communism, socialism, statism, progressivism, state capitalism. Oh, they are so fascinating! Let's ponder the ways! We could have a week long symposium and drink tea and munch crumpets.



Because we live in a largely

Because we live in a largely free society, we tend to forget how limited is the span of time and the part of the globe for which there has ever been anything like political freedom: the typical state of mankind is tyranny, servitude, and misery. The world runs on individuals pursuing their separate interests. The great achievements of civilization have not come from government bureaus. Einstein didn’t construct his theory under order from a bureaucrat. Henry Ford didn’t revolutionize the automobile industry that way. In the only cases in which the masses have escaped from the kind of grinding poverty you’re talking about, the only cases in recorded history are where they have had capitalism and largely free trade. If you want to know where the masses are worst off, it’s exactly in the kinds of societies that depart from that. So that the record of history is absolutely crystal clear: that there is no alternative way so far discovered of improving the lot of the ordinary people that can hold a candle to the productive activities that are unleashed by a free enterprise system.



Lesson time...Tea Party Core

Lesson time...Tea Party Core Values...you know, the ones you disagree with: 1) Fiscal Responsibility, 2) Constitutionally Limited Government, 3) Free Markets



A major source of objection

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.



Class conflict is the

Class conflict is the classic tool of the Socialist.

Must...create....dependents...otherwise...have...no... voter base. -Captain Kirk



A society that puts equality

A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.



we are all becoming

we are all becoming Appalachian coal miners , they resisted and where hosed with gunfire is that where we are headed,maybe the Chinese will liberate us



start by taxing hedge fund

start by taxing hedge fund CEO's into non existence



But Jeeesus told me ta watch

But Jeeesus told me ta watch FOX, eat chips,
and drink Red Bull until my eyes pop out.
I ain't got nothin' but I love Jeesus.
Why O why do I love Jeesus? 'cause I watch
FOX and cause the reverend/pastor/preacher/rebbe done told me so in a loud, abusive father-ly
voice.



Tue, 10/26/2010 - 03:42 —

Tue, 10/26/2010 - 03:42 — Tea Party Whacko-Bob, you state the following:

A major source of objection to a free economy is precisely that it gives people what they want instead of what a particular group thinks they ought to want. Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself.

This may or may not be true (i do not believe that it is).

However, the fact is that the U.S. economy, as it currently exists, is not completely free:

NAFTA/Patent Laws that recognize only written verification (thus excluding illiterate indigenous people with the knowledge of plants that lots of our drugs are made from)/obscene tax subsidies at all stages of the life of oil/etc.

What we are free to do, however, is steal from whoever we damn well please...

just as the rich are doing right now...to everyone else on this planet, which, inherently includes us.

ps - i will object your argument on the grounds that there is really no such thing as a 'free' economy, since it will always be influenced by someone. this is, of course, unless we free ourselves and thus fundamentally change what an economy is.



Hey, dryfly, please post

Hey, dryfly, please post your research someplace online and announce in this thread, and others, where to find it. I'm very interested in your findings.

thank you



TP Troublemaker above seems

TP Troublemaker above seems to have been sipping from a pot of Ayn Rand. The greatest bureaucracies historically have been police states designed to protect the privileges of kleptocratic oligarchies. Care for crumpet?



A society that puts equality

A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.



Does this mean that

Does this mean that Marx-Lenin & C° were just off by a century in predicting the inevitable collapse and implosion pf 'capitalism' by just pure plain ol' greed ?



A society that puts equality

A society that puts equality before freedom will get neither. A society that puts freedom before equality will get a high degree of both.



The United States has been

The United States has been enriching the rich and impoverishing the poor since the beginning.

America's forebears didn't colonize the wilderness because God gave them a sacred, individualistic, unscratchable itch.

They did it because the banks and the wealthy landowners forced them out of the places where the soil had been broken and a kind of civilization had taken root.

The only difference between now and the past is that the imperial fortunes of the U.S. are waning, not waxing. Or so we are told.

In fact, the greatest obstacle to revolution in this country is the defeatism that croons to us incessantly from the millions of propaganda loudspeakers with which we are continually surrounded.



What government planning and

What government planning and controls is the right-wing whackadoodle who posted above referring to? Does this whackadoodle not realize that de-regulation by the Rethugs brought us this mess? And with 300 million people living in the USA, how does one propose to have a smaller government unless people start leaving?



Add to these facts the

Add to these facts the following:

The top 1% of Americans own 43% of the financial wealth.

The bottom 80% of Americans own 7% of the financial wealth.

sociology.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/power/wealth.html



You can be sure the

You can be sure the whackadoodle troll belongs to the bottom 80%.

Amazing how people can be so easily manipulated into voting for the Koch brothers' interests rather than their own . . .



Don't be fooled by those

Don't be fooled by those claiming membership in the Tea Party. They're just (more) Republicans, dumber and more right wing than their predecessors. What to me is fascinating is just how conscienceless, arrogant, and ill educated any single human being has to be to sign up for the Tea Party idiocy. Unbelievable! Laugh or cry: it's your choice.



So why don't we just stop

So why don't we just stop giving these people our money? If we ALL quit making house payments, right now, when the behemoths are already wounded, we'd bring them down in a couple months.



Damn you, Rich. You

Damn you, Rich. You better not be Rich Crawford that I went to school with. Otherwise I will be TOTALLY pissed off.



Hi Buddy! Love, Rich

Hi Buddy!

Love,
Rich



Hello Friends. How about

Hello Friends. How about a look into the demographic of this Tea Party Troll. I'm actually a government employee who earns six digits and is in the top 5% wage earners of the nation. Maybe you guys are behind in your reading. Government employee pay is now ahead of private industry.

www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2010-03-04-federal-pay_N.htm

Perhaps the US Federal Government is the kleptocratic autocracy you seek. Seems to be working as you planned. Well done.

But, there's just one little problem. Your reality check is due in the mail in 7 days. Mid-terms, baby!

Love this new media! God Bless America.



The article mentioned David

The article mentioned David Tepper as one of the rich who are getting richer. Did anyone bother to do a little research? Mr. Tepper didn't start off rich, he grew up in a lower middle class neighborhood, attending public schools and paying his own way through college by working while studying. Instead of demonizing him, you should be admiring him. His story should be an inspiration to us all: Work hard and reap the rewards.
But I guess it's just much easier to moan and complain about how he's got it and you don't. Then sit around and wait for the government take from him and give to your sorry asses.



Would you like some cheese

Would you like some cheese with your whine?



David Tepper will be rich

David Tepper will be rich regardless of whether he pays slightly higher taxes or not. Hardly the issue. Why is it that Republicans moan about the deficits they largely created while at the same time are unwilling to raise taxes on the ultra-wealthy? Republicanism is really socialism for the rich. Look, for instance, at how the falsely justified Iraq War shifted $1 trillion away from ordinary citizens into the hands of contractors and the military-industrial complex. And don't tell us cutting taxes for the rich creates jobs. The W tax cuts started going into effect in 2001. Where are the jobs? What's really happened is that the rich have hoarded their excess wealth and are using it to buy the politicians who will help make them even wealthier. If we would like to see any "trickle down"--giving back to the system that enriches just a very few individuals--then we will have to raise taxes.



> a government employee who

> a government employee who earns six digits

In other words, your anti-government, free-enterprise posturing is a massive case of hypocrisy. You are to economics what Ted Haggard was to homosexuality.



Not everyone wants to use

Not everyone wants to use their one precious life just to make a lot of money. Some find a higher fulfillment in serving the public good as educators or healthcare workers. Others pursue the intense passions of scientific investigation or artistic creation. Frankly, I have a much higher regard for all these pursuits than for that of a mere hedge fund manager.

I do not begrudge the wealthy their money. But I do find something deeply wrong with a right-wing ideology that worships self-centered greed and that disparages what our Constitution calls "the general welfare." Hedge fund managers depend upon educators and at some point will depend upon healthcare workers. They should not have problems using their great wealth to support the good of the nation--its infrastructure, its law enforcement, its public education system, its healthcare facilities, and so on. (I would add its military but that our absurdly out-sized Offense Budget is also a big part of the problem.)

Anyway, there is nothing admirable about self-centered greed. And as Jesus said, It is harder for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven than for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Whether you interpret that literally or metaphorically, it is Wisdom.



"It's not hard to make a lot

"It's not hard to make a lot of money if all you want to do is make a lot of money."--Mr. Bernstein, Citizen Kane



Ah, yes, all those "poor"

Ah, yes, all those "poor" liberals, looking for handouts. Such as Bill Gates, Warren Buffet, and George Soros. Liberals on average are better educated and earn more than conservatives. We just happen to believe in the common good.



"Liberals on average are

"Liberals on average are better educated and earn more than conservatives"

Wait...so...the liberals are the rich people? And, conservatives are the poor people? What about all the posts above about the greedy, rich conservatives?

Perhaps you have a habit of putting people in collective groups. Perhaps you have a habit of stereotyping others. Perhaps you are prejudiced against those who have a different opinion than yours. Perhaps you demonize those who think differently than you. Perhaps that's in your progressive cookbook. Perhaps Socialism is not so different than racism. Socialism is sold as creating equal conditions for the masses but hides that it creates a ruling class, a superior class of people. It takes control away from the individual.

Maybe people prefer to be individuals rather than part of collective groups. Maybe there are both rich and poor liberals and conservatives. And, those who get rich? Good for them! They are not "all" evil...do not stereotype! People want to make decisions on their own rather than having others make decisions for them. That's at the root of conservatism. Small, limited government. We don't want a nanny state making decisions for us. We don't want people who "think" they are more educated than we are being our mommies and daddies.

Where are the real liberals? Where are the non-progressive liberals? What did you let the Socialists take over your party? If you don't purge them, you will surely implode.



Dude, you're the only one

Dude, you're the only one talking about socialism, in which the State owns the means of production. No one is advancing that position, certainly not Obama or the Democrats, so anytime you're ready you can stop pounding that Straw Man . . .

The real debate concerns the nuances of free enterprise: taxation, regulation, workers' rights, campaign finance reform, and so on.



Conservative Bill of

Conservative Bill of Rights:

You have the "right" for your environment to be destroyed by Big Corporations (see, e.g., The Gulf Coast).

You have the "right" to a government bought by the corporations, serving corporate interests.

You have the "right" to agree with conservatives, or they'll stomp on your head.

You have the "right," if you're a woman, to be forced by the State to bring an unwanted pregnancy to term.

You have the "right," if you're a solider, to die in foreign wars based on lies. (After all, you signed on the dotted line. You deserve to die, or at least be maimed, so that Halliburton and Blackwater can make some dough.)

You have the "right" to practice your religion, so long as it's Christianity.

You have the "right" to be spied on by Big Brother (see: The Patriot Act).

You . . . get the idea.



You should turn off Glenn

You should turn off Glenn Beck, 02:20, and take a look at reality instead.

Taxes are lower than they were under Reagan. Wealth disparities are at their greatest point since right before the Great Depression. Where is the "socialism"?

I'll tell you: It's a delusion, sold by con men like Beck and Limbaugh, who work in tandem with the big boys, like the Koch brothers and Murdoch. They want you to be afraid of "socialism," so that you'll vote for their interests instead of your own.

But what they're calling "socialism" is really just commonsense protections of the environment and workers.



Tea Party Troll = Karl Rove

Tea Party Troll = Karl Rove himself ("earning" six figures). Anyone want to take that bet?



Tea-Party-Truth-Out-er has

Tea-Party-Truth-Out-er has posted the same drivel three times in Comments to this article. Tpto, your post contains no truth; no facts; no logic. Repetition of your imbecilic ravings do not make them any less false, any less fantastical, any less illogical. You rave like one who fails to understand even the most elementary meaning of words . . . hey . . . are you George W. Bush?



Dear Anonymous on 10/26 at a

Dear Anonymous on 10/26 at a little after midnight - what "chop wood"? When the power elite are left to subsist without us hard-working middle-classers, there won't BE any wood left! Or edible fish. Or potable water. Or fodder for livestock. Or livestock . . . Anyway, I so get your point.



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