Tax the Rich: A Deficit Plan That Doesn't Hit We, The People
Friday 26 November 2010
by: Dave Johnson | Campaign for America's Future | Report

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Here is MY deficit-reduction plan. This plan does not reflect the views of anyone but myself -- and maybe half the population. Unlike deficit plans from the "serious people" in DC, this one doesn't annihilate the poor and gut Social Security and the middle class while passing even more of the benefits of our society up to a few at the top.
1) Restore pre-Reagan top tax rates. We didn't have massive deficits until we reduced the top tax rates.
2) Income is income. No more reduced capital gains tax rate. The incentive to invest should be to make a bunch of money from a good investment. The reason there is a low capital gains tax rate is that the wealthy get most of their income from capital gains. And the reason they get most of their income from capital gains is there is a low capital gains rate. The resulting income shifting schemes are a drag on the rest of us. (Also applies to dividends.)
3) Income is income. Inheritance income should be taxed as income, except there should be a "democracy cap" on how much someone can inherit. We decided not to have an aristocracy when we founded this country so we shouldn't have one.
4) Businesses should be taxed or not taxed, but not taxed AND not taxed. They shouldn't be able to use "double Irish" or "Dutch sandwich" or operate out of PO boxes in Bermuda or the Cayman Islands. (Bonus, this also helps reduce incentives to send our jobs and factories out of the country.)
5) If you don't pay your taxes We, the People won't pay to provide you with services. We can start by not allowing you to have a driveway that connects to public streets, or water/sewer hookups or mail. Also we won't enforce any contracts for you, including the one that says you "own" your house(s). And no government-developed Internet for you.
If companies like Google want to "double Irish" and "Dutch Sandwich" us or operate out of PO boxes in tax havens, we shouldn't let them use government services like courts, or the government-developed Internet. See how well they operate without access to roads (that includes for employees to get to go to work.) How about withdrawing the limited liability protection that investors in corporations receive? And of course no protection for "intellectual property" or trademarks. Oh, yeah, no access to anyone who went to a school that used tax dollars. And no government services means no sea-lane protection for your products shipping from Chinese factories, by the way.
6) Speaking of sea-lane protection, why do we have a military budget comparable to when we faced nuclear annihilation by the Soviet empire? Bases in Germany and Japan? And why can I go to this website, pick a DC-area zip code, say 22314, and learn that "Dollar Amount of Defense Contracts Awarded to Contractors in this Zip Code from 2000 to 2009: $7,086,397,848." Seriously, scroll down the page and look at some of the contracts and amounts awarded. I suspect there's some serious deficit reduction to be found in the military budget. A comprehensive and very public audit of where all that money has been going since, say, 1981 might take a chunk out of the debt problem all by itself.
7) I could start listing all the corporate subsidies, tax breaks, monopoly grants, schemes, contracts, etc. that we pay for, but I think you get the idea. How about calling bribery by its name: bribery, and doing something about it?
8) To the extent that implementing this plan does not clear up the deficit and start paying off the debt, how about a yearly national property tax on all individual holdings above, say, $5 million, with the tax rate progressively increasing as total wealth increases, and keep doing this each year until the debt is paid off. Perhaps start at 1% on $5 million, 2.5% at $10 million, 5% at $50 million, etc. (Hedge fund managers and investment bankers start at 50% and go up, just for the heck of it. We can call this the "get the money from where the money went tax.")
So there is MY deficit-reduction plan. Or, instead, we could do what the "serious people" deficit-reduction plans do: cut services for We, the People, cut Social Security, cut health care, cut education, cut infrastructure, cut the things that make life better for people, and give all the money to a few at the top. Take your pick.
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I vote for shoveling more
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 10:47 — jwa1313 (not verified)I vote for shoveling more money to wealthy people -- that's the Ammurikan way!
The plan offered to reduce
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:10 — Ray Elling (not verified)The plan offered to reduce the deficit makes a whole lot of sense -- every point -- but especially the so called "defense" (read war) expenditures. These are totally off the mark and we have to ask for what reasons. Eisenhower warned against the growing dominance and loss of our democracy to "The Military/Industrial Complex." It has becomes so bad that one has to wonder if we have a Democracy of, by and for the people or whether we have a Corporate Welfare State.
Can you imagine the current
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:27 — Anonymous (not verified)Can you imagine the current Bush tax cuts existing during World war Two? We'd have lost the war. Of course, Bush and Cheney didn't really care that they started two non funded wars. They aren't patriotic to anything but money and power.
And the same for their have and have more base, the base that has stolen from America to enrich themselves while the rest of us get stuck up through legalized theft! I'm all for jacking up the tax rates on these un-American thieves. And if they don't like it, yank their corporate charters. Send them off the Russia, a place even more corporately crooked than here!
Shame on your mother, Dave
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:46 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)Shame on your mother, Dave Johnson, for raising you to think that it's ok to be a thief. Slap her next time you see her, because she didn't raise you right.
"A comprehensive and very
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 11:57 — Anonymous (not verified)"A comprehensive and very public audit of where all that money has been going since, say, 1981 might take a chunk out of the debt problem all by itself. "
We had this audit going on 9/10/2001, the next day was 9/11. How will the DOD react the next time?
Shame on *your* mother,
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 12:41 — Garry (not verified)Shame on *your* mother, Erich Von Freemason, for raising you to think that it's okay to steal from the weak and oppressed and buy politicians to make it "legal" to do so. What kind of morality is that? Slap her next time you see her, because she didn't raise you right.
PREcisely. I am having made
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 12:46 — Daniel Smith (not verified)PREcisely. I am having made a bumper sticker that simply says "Tax the Rich."
Von "Freemason" Shame on
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:11 — Rea l Freemason (not verified)Von "Freemason" Shame on you for not seeing the obvious, that the wealthy have stolen not only the money, the manufacturing, the accumulated wealth and the future of the United States for short term profits, and to satisfy their wet dream of achieving American Cheap Labor - an American who will work for less than Chinese forced labor. I suggest that you read "The Free Lunch" before you trot out your parroted propaganda.
Number 6 is startlingly
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 13:27 — Smedley Volcano (not verified)Number 6 is startlingly frank, Dave pulls no punches and it is refreshing to read this guy: Clear, eloquent, reasonable, BOOOM!
Shame on you Erich Von
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:04 — Kevin Schmidt (not verified)Shame on you Erich Von Freemason for lying and telling someone else to commit violence against his own mother!
You're old enough to know better, so don't blame your mother for your own sins! Take responsibility for your own actions and accept the consequences, otherwise, you will never become a man.
As regards corporate taxes:
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 14:13 — Cliff (not verified)As regards corporate taxes: the present corporate income tax is an invitation to fraud and a tax lawyer relief act. We can put half the lawyers in this country out of business by junking it and replacing it with a corporate wealth tax. Each corporation would file a short annual return declaring its fair market value and pay a tax on that amount. No deductions, no shelters, nothing. If Bill Gates declared Microdirt worth $5, then the Congress could buy it at that amount, so corporate bureaucrats would have an incentive to be honest. And the tax could be graduated, zero on the first $100 million, say, 1% from there to a billion, 2% from there to $10 billion, 3% to $100 billion, and 4% after that. What's the value of all the corporations in the US? This would raise a lot of money...
As Willie Stark could say, this country may have a lot of poor people in it but it isn't a poor country.
I know the rich don't want
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:00 — Jack E Lohman (not verified)I know the rich don't want their taxes to go up, but what about taking the proposed tax increases and giving in return restricted Treasury bonds? Sort of like forcing the rich to invest in America rather than sending their cash to off-shore tax havens. And mandate that they leave their money in tresuries for 10 years.
Jack Lohman ..
http://MoneyedPoliticians.net
I'd like to add that we all
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:01 — Anonymous (not verified)I'd like to add that we all should start contacting the D.C. jerks and tell them we are carefully monitoring their current actions and will certainly be heavily involved in the political campaigns in two years. And maybe do this communication any number of times because I'm betting they don't keep track of such items since they come from us common folk.
However, I believe the entire system is now owned by the rich and corporations (who essentially fund the rich) and I wish us good luck in getting any kind of financial justice out of them. So the only solution is to vote a whole lot of these assholes back to unemployment lines back in their homes of origin. That would, in theory, be a nice sight!
A lot of these ideas are
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:02 — dave (not verified)A lot of these ideas are silly and overkill. Cutting defense 15% and making a progressive tax rate that graduates to 50% above 2 million would more than solve our fiscal problems.
If you want to be taken seriously you can't intersperse good ideas with nonsense.
Thanks to pple like Erich
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:07 — Anonymous (not verified)Thanks to pple like Erich Von Freemason the world is in this s.....
the 2% that control and or
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:11 — Anonymous (not verified)the 2% that control and or over 90% of the wealth are sitting on the liquidity they've gotten by any means fair and mostly foul,are kicking back waiting for even greater financial duress so they scoop up everything for pennys on the dollar,tax the crap outta them
thanks for getting the truth
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:13 — Anonymous (not verified)thanks for getting the truth out.
when I became disabled, I wandered through the "shelter system" for two years before my number came up for temporary housing and then it was another three years before I was allowed to rent a unit specifically for the disabled homeless woman I had become. The only thing I did not lose was my sense of entitlement. I am about to move to regular housing through the phantom program called section 8 for people who are living at the 75% below poverty income level. I have been on the waitlist for 6 years. Once I have finally moved out f the homeless system - and have shaken off the stigma - I hope to write a book about what it was like to live at the bottom of a deep deep well with no rope to climb up and out to safety.
Dave Johnson for President
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:16 — Dave Johnson 2012 Committee (not verified)Dave Johnson for President in 2012! It's time to dump Obama and his Republican friends.
Methinks folks here often
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:17 — Anonymous (not verified)Methinks folks here often don't get irony when they hear it. Methinks Eric vonFreemason was being ironic — at least I hope so!
was that al gore's internet?
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:21 — Anonymous (not verified)was that al gore's internet?
The only times in our long
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:24 — Anonymous (not verified)The only times in our long history when jobs were plentiful, was in times of higher taxation and high union power. Salaries always rose, those with some savings were able to have an income sans buying stocks and jobs grew almost as fast as income was spent or invested.
If they raised Interest rates to 5%-10%, several trillions of income would go to those who had savings, because with that extra income they invest, pay off debts, start small Businesses, invest in land, structures and buy goods.
Raise taxes, raise interest rates, pull out of the money eating wars, and watch the economy grow.
In Sweden the tax rate is 52%, but their have free health care, free college, low unemployment and high compensation packages but CEO's salaries are severely limited, unlike America where their is a good old boys club of CEO's joining each other’s boards and doling out fraudulent salaries and benefits stealing it from investors and employees.
Thank you, Dave, for calling
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:24 — Procyon Lotor (not verified)Thank you, Dave, for calling the military budget just that instead of the BS comfort-speak term "defense budget". This is a sore point with those of us who are nauseated by the disgusting habit of calling things by euphemistic comfort terms - like USA Patriot Act and No Child Left Behind.
Let's get serious about
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:25 — nazani14 (not verified)Let's get serious about enforcing the tax laws pertaining to churches. There are so many that engage in political activity and fundraising that invalidates their tax-free status.
Here's my own modest proposal - early testing for severe birth defects. I would rather pay for such pre-natal tests and counseling, abortion if the parents choose- than be stuck with the huge costs for taking care of children who will have a greatly reduced quality of life. Unless you have personally adopted a child with severe autism, fetal alcohol syndrome, Down syndrome, you really should not be forcing your right-to-life opinion on others.
Dave Johnson must watch the
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:25 — Steve Zimmett (not verified)Dave Johnson must watch the Thom Hartmann program
You forgot to strike
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:26 — Anonymous (not verified)You forgot to strike Corporate Personhood from the statutes.
I love this! The nation has
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:28 — Steven (not verified)I love this! The nation has slid toward a system that is unworkable. Rethink the entire package! Yes.
Agreed...But you can bet
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:35 — Anonymous (not verified)Agreed...But you can bet your bottom dollar that will never happen,unless more adopt this sound thinking.. and outlaw meddling from corporate and foreign lobbyists in our election processes! Yes to term limits and no to their health benefits, If the house and senate are only working part time...fair is fair,and here's a novel idea..tax lobbyist and political contributions ...put that money saved and taxed into creating civilian JOBS and bring back credence to the voice of the people! Furthermore.. Lobbyists, CEO's,and inside traitors..(sorry i meant traders),should be taxed at or near 90% until deficit is eliminated.. and show a vested interest in doing whats right for once instead of shredding our bill of rights and looting our treasury..treason is as treason does,and they should be tried and convicted for the damage done to our economy!
Lots of good ideas here, all
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:39 — Birdbrain (not verified)Lots of good ideas here, all of which would reduce my wealth all of which I would vote for. Well all except those shallow minded ramblings and personal attacks of the Erich Von Freemason guy. Erich for a 120 bucks you can get 50 min. of help, go for it you will enjoy it.
My mom always taught me to share and to help those less fortunate than myself. Should she be ashamed of that too?
I don't know but for some reason I really like the idea of my tax dollars paying for the Air Traffic Control system as I gaze upon the multitude of traffic out the window of my plane. But alas that's just me.
Naughty, naughty, Dave. You
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:42 — Anonymous (not verified)Naughty, naughty, Dave. You mentioned the verboten idea of cutting the Defense Budget! Don't you know that budget is sacred to those in Washinton D.C.?
As a self employed carpenter
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:43 — francis Matula (not verified)As a self employed carpenter of 25 years who is struggling to keep some kind of cash flow coming in,my feelings in response to Jack Lohman ideas can be summed up in 1 word NO.
Letting them invest their ill gotten gain? No. Tax it. Money to the deficit.
Any new money that they make after the taxes and regulation restored. Yes and make it mandatory that a percentage of their profits to, go to those bonds
Corporate criminals are in
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:48 — Anonymous (not verified)Corporate criminals are in charge of tax policy. Nothing gets better until we take back our country from the corporations.
"If companies like Google
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 15:55 — Anonymous (not verified)"If companies like Google want to "double Irish" and "Dutch Sandwich" us or operate out of PO boxes in tax havens"
Try IBM or HP with this analogy, google does a world of good for its employees. It is the envy of all silicon valley tech labor.
They emphasize work-life balance, and their benefits and pay-scales prop up the wages for the rest of the tech sector in the San Francisco Bay area.
They're also still hiring in the recession, and hiring heavily. They are, arguably, one of few "not evil" companies in the nation, even the world.
What about the wars that off
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:10 — Anonymous (not verified)What about the wars that off budget? Not only are we are killing innocent people and being killed, at least those in the military are being killed, destroying the environment in every area where the military is active, drones, too, and using horrendous amounts of oil - aren't we running out of it? Billions of dollars for war but nothing for the people.
Outstanding perspective! How
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:14 — Pam (not verified)Outstanding perspective! How about shifting the conversation to a "fair tax for all"? No one would mind paying what is fair - the poor pay the least, the wealthy, the most. But EVERYONE pays something and pays on all kinds of income. Fair tax for all!
Americans hate wall street
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:31 — Todd Boyle (not verified)Americans hate wall street but they seem to hate washington DC even more. This is partly a result of relentless propaganda funded by the rich and the deep state. But it is genuinely felt by most people; including myself; I am absolutely opposed to war. If there is no other choice but the collapse of the government, and the economy, to stop U.S. wars, hey. Works for me. I am not negotiable on this. I want the military *stopped. * For example, I cannot in good conscience vote Democrat. I am well and truly disenfranchised.
I had hoped that Obama might
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:32 — Anonymous (not verified)I had hoped that Obama might have forced the change that is obviously needed. BUT he seems to have as much spine as a jellyfish. What is needed is another party to raise hell with the D's and the R's. The Teaparty types sensed that change was very important but they don't have a clue on how to go about it. Not only that they have now been bought by the oligarchs. A strong president would be able to do it provided that he had strong leadership in Congress, particularly in the Senate.
I have a similar plan, just
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:49 — Johnathan Mann (not verified)I have a similar plan, just a little more simple! Roll the tax cuts back to before Reagan, or even higher. Then give them powerful incentives to create jobs!! A tremendous amount of money was redistributed to the rich since Reagan. It’s time for them to pay our society back!!!
Hey Erich: get a visa and
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 16:51 — Anonymous (not verified)Hey Erich: get a visa and move to Russia. You'd love it there. All the legalized theft you can have, and the korporations running amok. The Sicilian Mafia couldn't have dreamed to make America as corrupt as Russia!
The rich don't pay taxes and
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:07 — dr wu (not verified)The rich don't pay taxes and refuse to serve in the army. Either one is a good reason to can them. Some people think we need the rich, and we need Wall Street. Me, I think they're just sucking on the public teat, taking it for all it's worth.
You are correct. The most
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:11 — Dave (not verified)You are correct. The most viable solution to fix the economy is to raise the tax rate on the rich, and further to solve the unemployment problem; reduce the taxes of the working class to provide pocket money to buy products, and the jobs will occur by creating demand for goods and services; Supply and demand. Under no circumstances should the wealthy receive more tax cuts; that is the sure way to destroy this country even more.
Google is another capitalist
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:13 — Dr. K (not verified)Google is another capitalist rip-off. now, ripping off Ireland ,Ireland which taxes google next to nothing in an effort to attract investment, is now going under as a result of the zilch that google contributes to the Irish economy. Get rid of these predatory bastatrds!
The economy is out of
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:27 — Dave (not verified)The economy is out of balance. There is an excess of disparity between the richest few and the many poor. The fact that CEO's get more than 500 times the lowest paid employee in their business is evidence of that disparity. The top 2 percent must be taxed 2 or 3 times the tax rate of the very poor, in order to get us back in balance. Once in balance again, the deficit will come down, people will go back to work, and the economy will begin to grow. Gt Britain knows this, all of Europe knows this, so why are we being so stupid. Once things get back to normal, it will be necessary to slowly raise the taxes, or lower them to adjust for inflation and to avoid a runaway economy. Statistics show that when taxes are raised this way, even on the middle class, everyone's income goes up.
As far as dealing with the top 2 percent and their whining and crying; Andrew Jackson, I believe, said that (paraphrased), if you want to reap the benefits, you must pay.
We have to stop listening to the Republicans, they are voicing the fears of the rich, the fear that the American people will find out and get smart and do the right thing.
Tax the rich? I say "Eat
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:28 — Taylorbad (not verified)Tax the rich? I say "Eat the Rich!"
"The reason there is a low
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:34 — annonymous (not verified)"The reason there is a low capital gains tax rate is that the wealthy get most of their income from capital gains. And the reason they get most of their income from capital gains is there is a low capital gains rate. The resulting income shifting schemes are a drag on the rest of us. (Also applies to dividends.)"
Are you kidding me? The majority of Americans that are invested in the market are not rich. After paying their taxes they scraped and saved what they could and invested it. Yes, raise the capital gains on the wealthy, but not on middle class Americans who have already been squeezed for decades and now need this income to survive retirement.
I agree that "limited
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 17:51 — ALC (not verified)I agree that "limited liability" is the greatest corporate scam ever devised. Without this, the gambling corporations referred to as 'Financial Houses" would not believe they can set up traps to rob the average person with deceit as the major form of information made available.
Definition Of "The Rich" is
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:06 — Bill O'Rights (not verified)Definition Of "The Rich" is relative. The conversation here does not distinguish between the upper middle class merchant/light manufacturer class, the upper class, or the Wall Street class, aka the Ruling Class.
Know your enemy - targeting any other than the ruling class aka the Wall Street class - the ones we bailed out to 'save the country' misses the mark and will initiate the brain drain (which has already begun).
"Tax the rich, feed the
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:28 — Liced-christs (not verified)"Tax the rich, feed the poor, until there are no rich no more."
Alvin Lee, 10 Years After
The way things have been
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:31 — Jeanio (not verified)The way things have been going with the middle class, soon enough only the very rich, or their very rich children, will be ABLE to pay off our national debt. When the less fortunate can no longer afford an education, can't get a job, and can't even depend on a decent infrastructure or a healthy environment, who will be left to do constructive work?
With our current outrageous tax structure, the very wealthy just keep getting wealthier, and we know it. But they are cooking their own goose.
Dave, if the rich (top 1%)
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:39 — Johnathan Mann (not verified)Dave, if the rich (top 1%) had way higher tax rates and the only way they could save some of that money were to create jobs, the people employed would have money to create demand (I think this would bring far more money into the system than just tax cuts). At first it wouldn’t matter if the new businesses made any money, they would be tax right offs, but because there would be more money in the hands of people who would spend it, business across the board would benefit including many of the new ones. It then becomes self perpetuating. More money to spend, more businesses to make and employ people! Historically, this country thrived on higher tax rates for the rich. Most of our economic trouble has been lower tax rates for the rich and the deregulation of the financial institution that has created all of the bank failures since Reagan, accumulating in our most recent Great Recession.
Obviously the rich do not create jobs when given tax cuts, just look at our economy. Maybe, with higher rates and great incentives to employ people our society would once again thrive!
I think we should just make
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 18:54 — notguiltiest (not verified)I think we should just make the poor people pay. Damn poor people!
agreed. and take away legal
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:08 — veedub (not verified)agreed.
and take away legal personhood from corporations.
Haven't you heard. We
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:27 — june roldan (not verified)Haven't you heard. We haven't been the United States of America for a while now, we are currently known as the Corporate States of Amerika.
Great article. In fact, why
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:48 — PaulV (not verified)Great article. In fact, why really stop at the end of Carter? Eisenhaur, a republican raised the marginal tax rate on the rich to 90 percent and the country did well.
We do need to list all the subsidies that we the people give to the few. You dont mention all the medical research supported by the goverment and the deduction on cadillac medical insurence, and the mortgage tax deduction that mostly goes to the rich.
Most importantly during the present crisis. Many bankers and brokerage companies, were bankrupt until they got bailouts. This we all know. But it is also clear that they still are bankrupt if you mark their assets to market. On the other hand the government is getting them out of bankrupsy by quantitative easing. This is the biggest feed the elephants to feed the birds strategy. It will reduce the value of the dollar and increase the asset prices so that the banks are no longer bankrupt. This is costing the rest of us, especially the savers a huge amount.
Why is it that the so
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:48 — American Patriot (not verified)Why is it that the so called rich are the ones that have put their sholuder to the wheel, worked hard and created jobs and already pay taxes through the nose.
The poor are primarley poor because they want to be poor. Give them a new home, a new car and $50,ooo.oo and in a years time, the money will be gone. The car will be a wreck and the house will not be fit to live in.
the 100% Death Tax: There
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 19:53 — red slider (not verified)the 100% Death Tax: There should be no inheritance, save some modest support for dependents, until such time as they are capable of fending for themselves. Otherwise: the entire assets of those who die in a given year are reserved and distributed equally as a 'grubstake' to all those who were born in that year upon reaching their adulthood.
What is the incentive for the wealthy to make money? The shares that their grandchildren enjoy will be larger (though not any larger than anyone elses.) - end of class welfare and unearned income.
Excellent article. I support
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:14 — lost_souls_rembrd (not verified)Excellent article.
I support ALL of the suggestions mentioned above.
I would also like to add that perhaps it would reveal just exactly how strong a hold 'greed' has gotten into this society.
Have a lot of stuff vs. character? Remove this equation and trust me, there'd be major changes, naturally.
Hear, HERE!
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 20:15 — Vic Anderson (not verified)Hear, HERE!
You must understand that
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:21 — Anonymous (not verified)You must understand that human beings are "advanced" monkeys, equipped with the emotions of apes. Therefor, the cleverest and most violent apes win. Sorry, those are the rules of the game, and if progressives want to win they'd better devise a bigger and better club and a more agile way to use it. Forget about reason. That was a myth proposed by intellectuals of past centuries. It looks good on paper but does not wash when looking at human history. Even Gandhi functioned only as a response to the stimulus of English imperialism, his noncompliance won only because it was more FORCEFUL in the end. So much for the theory of nonviolence. If you don't kill these Republicans, wipe them, out, then you will be killed and wiped out. Make your choice.
A fair and right income tax
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:40 — Reg373 (not verified)A fair and right income tax policy: 50% over 500k, cut to 25% if from NEW operations only, 0% if operation is in a ghetto.
That addresses the deficit, a proportionate burden put back on the wealthiest during crisis fiscal times like now, and real incentives to start new businesses.
Did you add many-fold to your wealth during the Reagan/Bush era when upper tax tiers were slashed in both 1981 and 2001?
I didn't think so. Emergency times are emergency times, and fair is fair...
- Balkingpoints / www
Some of your ideas are
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:41 — Eyeball Kid (not verified)Some of your ideas are practical and could easily be successful. But your and all other ideas are too late. There isn't any way for the rest of us to think about the future in optimistic ways. Fascists clearly have the upper hand in the U.S., and they won't let up until they own everything and have a steel grip on social controls of their own liking.
Obama and the Dems are either terrified of the fascists or they are co-operating with them, or both. Any "push-back" will be brushed aside. Watch what happens in the new Congress. The terror is only beginning.
There are obviously some
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:49 — Anonymous (not verified)There are obviously some very disturbed people out there...
@nazani14 what would you do about children born with Cerebral Palsy...it is an accident at birth and not genetic? You are just a car accident away from being in the same boat.
@American Patriot Nice...this is the type of propaganda you hear from people who have never faced any real challenges. You too are just a car accident or serious illness away from being bankrupt yourself.
In either case: you are both morally bankrupt.
I like these proposals...and I also like the comment about buying Treasury Bonds. We should all be doing that.
"Why is it that the so
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 21:56 — Anonymous (not verified)"Why is it that the so called rich are the ones that have put their sholuder to the wheel, worked hard and created jobs and already pay taxes through the nose."
you, sir, are an ivory-towered elitist.
I worked my whole childhood away, obeyed the rules, and am now being screwed. It took me half a decade to get a middle class income, and all the excess is being siphoned off by the bank, so i have to have roommates while making enough in gross to support a family of 4.
I still work hard, and see little to none of the rewards, while people who run the banks, go home every day by helicopter at 5, whose kids go shopping at saks during the weekdays in their lotus, take everything I make.
Clearly they are working VERY hard skimming my income as I work for their benefit as an indentured servant.
Great article. The disparity
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:00 — Anonymous (not verified)Great article. The disparity between "rich" and "other' has been a poison, and it's been going on for so long that it's the new normal.
It's turning America into an ordinary place.
Typical Liberal fare. Steal
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:08 — Realist (not verified)Typical Liberal fare. Steal from one group of society to give to another. Where is government of the people, by the people, for the people if it steals from some of the people?
Taxation is only fair when it is fairly applied.
I have sat from afar and
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:27 — Dirty Den (not verified)I have sat from afar and wondered instead of letting people like Beck with his right wing rallies take over Washington how about striking back on you own. I'm not sure of the US population other than its north of 200 mil people and with 10% ot thereabouts uemployment how about on one day every unemployed person in the US and their families stage a sit in around the various state buildings nearest them. Actually do something about the plight instead of bitching about it. Get the message out through sheer numbers and then you might be able to get some parity into your lives again.
That's the whole point.
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:40 — Anonymous (not verified)That's the whole point. Taxes are NOT fairly applied.
I know a few people who make around $100k and pay 50% in taxes. Can you imagine Warren Buffet or the Koch Bros. paying 50%?
Nope. They get a tax break on unearned income, which is the great bulk of their income.
GE paid $0. in taxes last year.
Tax laws favor the wealthy, and if taxes WERE fairly applied, we wouldn't be in this mess!
"Typical Liberal fare. Steal
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 22:40 — Anonymous (not verified)"Typical Liberal fare. Steal from one group of society to give to another. Where is government of the people, by the people, for the people if it steals from some of the people?"
You mean the way they steal from everyone below them through special interest laws to make competition illegal, make it impossible to escape indentured servitude?
"Taxation is only fair when it is fairly applied."
Are you saying the invading hordes staved off by our military, the criminals kept in check by our police, the thoroughfares kept up by the highway act, do not benefit them disproportionately?
The invading hordes and criminals don't go after the shoebox apartments in the ghettos, and yet the residents of those apartments pay more in taxes.
Trucking companies are being subsidized by socialist highway systems, telecoms subsidized by nasa, and all at the expense of the middle 60%, the rich should pay 90% taxes to even approach their "fair share" of it all.
To those defending wealth as
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 23:02 — Anonymous (not verified)To those defending wealth as some kind of right, you're sadly misinformed and have a very distorted sense of morality.
The vast majority of people acquire wealth in the top 2% by:
A - Inheritance
B - Marriage
I hear standing by waiting for a relative to kick the bucket, or lying to a rich person to get into the sack is very "hard work", real "sweat of the brow" labor!
Money is not nearly as important to liberty as basic sustenance, health care, and at least 25% of life as leisure time to enjoy it. Anyone who favors denying the poor this because the rich man wants his fourth mercedes has a special place waiting for them in hell.
Capitalism should reward the winnners of the game, but this idea that the wealthy have a god given right to their money while the poor die of preventable causes is nothing more than a neo-con version of "The Divine Right of Kings", the same philosophy our forefathers took up arms to oppose.
Keep talking Dave and more
Sat, 11/27/2010 - 23:27 — Anonymous (not verified)Keep talking Dave and more people will listen. It's voices like yours that put the "We" back in "We the People". Long live Dave Johnson!
the conservatives hate the
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 00:21 — Anonymous (not verified)the conservatives hate the poor and progressives hate the rich. or so it seems. i'm no economist, but i have to wonder about the viability of a flat tax. 7% or whatever for everyone above the poverty line. no loop holes, no tax rebates, nothing. you earn it, you pay equally for the support of your social structures. how do you justify penalizing the upper class, regardless of weather they earned it or inherited it. hold them accountable for their illegal fraudulent methods and fucking imprison them if their crimes warrant it. but don't blame them for the fact that you can't live comfortably on $100K a year and have racked up half that much in credit card debt. i make about maybe $20K a year, have no car, no credit card debt, the $4000 remainder of a student loan and the luxury of having my own apartment. does that classify me as middle class?
and yes, i do think we can carve a tremendous amount of money by auditing government spending without eliminating assistance programs that we've pain into s/a social security.
All your suggestions sound
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 00:25 — S. Hubinette (Research Historian) (not verified)All your suggestions sound appealing, but there are a few points that are being ignored; most citizens are; politically, culturally, socially, ecologically, economically and intellectually ignorant and lazy, as long as they have "bread and games" (I gots me the game on the tele, a beer, and maybe even get laid this weekend, life is good. I don't want take no time to figr out wats goin on.) they are appeased. True, some maybe 10% of the commoners are willing to fight, but most accept their lot in life. Kirkpatrick and Reagan knew that in the 80's, along with the Republican and Democratic leadership.
Mussolini would be proud. "Doctrines and Origins of Fascism" Giovanni Gentile, 1932.
The rich will resist, first
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 00:45 — NedB (not verified)The rich will resist, first by subterfuge, and later, if things get too dicey, by hiring some of us to beat up the rest of us, or worse.
"how do you justify
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 03:04 — Anonymous (not verified)"how do you justify penalizing the upper class, regardless of weather they earned it or inherited it."
Because they do absolutely no harder work (and often less work) than the rest of the people who make 5,0000 times less than they do, and benefit 5,000 times more from the services paid for through taxation, from defense to infrastructure.
They treat human beings like pawns, profit from their labor, and should give back to their communities. They can have their lavish lifestyles if they like, but not at the expense of the poor, and it really wouldn't put a dent in their lifestyles to make sure the peons have a reasonable work-life balance, have jobs, and have homes, food, and universal healthcare.
"They treat human beings
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 04:19 — Anon (not verified)"They treat human beings like pawns"
They are human beings too. Tho not necessarily good ones. If it is unfair or unjust to excessively tax the poor, then it seems to me equally unfair to excessively tax anyone. I realized tonight that my concept of fair is the idea of dealing fairly with another, rather than the more overwhelming social concept of equal measure. Ie: "if you screw me over its only fair to screw you over too" two wrongs still don't make a right. Please understand, that I am not saying they should get tax breaks or loop holes. . . Just that I believe taxation should be fair, which is why I lean toward the idea of flat tax. You make more you pay more. Easy.
And humans treat each other incorrigably in every walk of life, the plutarchs just have their own special ways.
I have rad enough complaints
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 06:05 — Anonymous (not verified)I have rad enough complaints and possible solutions to our political corruption to be convinced that nothing will changer until the super greedy are Faced with PHYSICAL action instead of dialogue that depends on the super greedy to voluntary relinquish their stolen wealth.
A friend f ten years relationship stole several hundred dollars from me. I told the investigating detective that I would drop the charges if the 'Friend' returned the Money. The detective said, "You expect him to come to you with a hand full of money? It never happens."
The Super Greedy only understand Physical Action, and they are certain the American Public will never resort to violence, and the courts are all locked up by the SUPER Greedy So continue with your suggestions from now until forever with your pissing and moaning.
Things will continue to get worse until the public uses action instead of dialogue.
"They are human beings too.
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 09:20 — Anonymous (not verified)"They are human beings too. Tho not necessarily good ones. "
Way to ignore the rest of the argument, which is far more relevant.
They benefit thousands of times more from the infrastructure, legal system, and national defense provided by taxes, they should also pay thousands of times more for that benefit.
When the hordes come rolling in, they will not go for the tenements on the lower east side, they'll head for the highrise penthouses and mansions.
The army is not there to protect the poor, the rich should pay every nickel of the defense budget.
This plan is pretty stupid.
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 09:46 — DRA (not verified)This plan is pretty stupid. Sorry, I call 'em like I see 'em. It is pure socialist class warfare nonsense. No inheritance allowed? 70% or higher top tax rates? Why save? Why work? We can all become wards of the Big Brother Welfare State. The government should have plenty of money to take care of us after it taxes it all away from everyone earning or saving "too much!" Own a small business and unfortunately die? Fork it over! Your family and employees are out on the street. They can live on newly "guaranteed" unemployment, Social Security and Medicare benefits. What a wonderful future they will all have.
No, maybe I'm wrong. This is such such a great idea, let's tax 100% of everything anyone earns or saves over $500K! No one should be allowed to earn more than 25% over what our supreme ruler, the President of the United States, earns. Successful athletes, entertainers, businessmen, professionals, investors, inventors, elderly savers--you're all too rich and greedy. Fork it over! It belongs to the people!
A few other deficit
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 09:54 — bives (not verified)A few other deficit reduction ideas:
get rid of the income tax except on those making more than 10 times the median income. Replace it with a value added tax, as commonly used in Europe. The VAT would also replace the corporate income tax. The VAT's regressiveness should be offset by its paying for single-payer health care, so that expense is eliminated. Set the minimum wage so it's a living wage, which also helps offset the VAT's effect on the cost of consumer purchases. Implement a financial transactions tax, which could raise a lot of money plus greatly reducing high speed speculative trading and so stabilizing financial markets. Bonuses: Elimination of the income tax would also save the economy hundreds of billions, which is spent on tax lawyers, tax accountants, support staff, etc, related to the costs of filing taxes. The single payer plan would eliminate 50% of personal bankruptcies.
Why is it that people think
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:27 — MH (not verified)Why is it that people think its all right to take money from someone else because the other can afford it? The amount of entitlement the author feels to other people's things is shameful.
The only scheme that makes sense is a flat tax rate. Everyone should pay the same percent on everything. The rich still pay more because the same percent on a higher salary is a higher amount. Noone should get to hide income in any way. Just make everything homogenous and simple.
Moreover, we should tax consumption. We should be taxing things like gas and water at a higher rate to promote conservation and alternative technologies. This will affect high earners because generally they consume more.
It's about capital. Ignore
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:29 — Usara (not verified)It's about capital. Ignore it at your own peril.
go to http://www.languageofliberty.com/ and click on the link to "It's about capital, stupid."
Look, just because your mama
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:38 — Disturbed (not verified)Look, just because your mama bought you a computer doesn't mean you should be deciding tax (legalized stealing) policy.
I started out with nothing, (no taxable income) then worked in Bolivia, Colombia, North Africa, Arabia and Texas
No harm, no foul is my motto.
Now, I'm ready to return home (where I've been paying $15,000 in property tax yearly for 10 years, 28% of my income to the IRS and ton's of sales tax, put 3 kids through the ridiculously expensive colleges) .
Author sounds like a vulture are waiting to rob me blind.
Relocate and get a job !
Man! I wish I had said
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:39 — Ted Lundgren (not verified)Man! I wish I had said that.
I would close ALL overseas bases and move all military back to the closed bases within USA.
This article might sound
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:46 — Anonymous (not verified)This article might sound good if you have no common sense.
The latest data show that a big portion of the federal income tax burden is shoul dered by a small group of the very richest Americans. The wealthiest 1 percent of the population earn 19 per cent of the income but pay 37 percent of the income tax. The top 10 percent pay 68 percent of the tab. Meanwhile, the bottom 50 percent—those below the median income level—now earn 13 percent of the income but pay just 3 percent of the taxes. If we continue raising taxes on the wealthy, why wouldn't the take their money to another country who would love to have them? If that wealthy 1% leaves we are in real trouble.
Even with the tax breaks, it is clear the wealthy are doing more than their part, while the bottom half of the population is only paying 3% of the bill (not helping deficit).
No tax breaks for people who are actually investing and driving the economy? Reduced capital gains taxes do not benefit short term/ professional investors, however, they benefit the common person who has longer term investments and encourages them to do more when they can.
Inheritance tax increase...Are your serious? Have you ever worked for anything substantial in your life? If so, you should want to have the right to pass on to your children that which you worked for, payed for, and already paid taxes on. This is double taxation IMO.
I love the idea about
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:48 — John M (not verified)I love the idea about cutting services for those who don't pay taxes. 47% didn't pay any income tax in 2009. Cut services to them!
If this cutting services idea is a serious one then so should this: allow "taxpayers" to get these so called services from private companies instead. Most would pay a lot less than our income taxes.
Regardless, the suggestion that increasing taxes is the solution is ludicrous. Cutting spending is the first thing that should always be considered. It does mention cutting military spending, and that is great, but yes phasing out Social Security and Medicare should seriously be considered. Unfortunately it cannot be done immediately but it can be done over a long time. It is ridiculous that 40% of our annual budget is dedicated to SS/Medicare. Atrocious. FDR was a terrible president but even he would be saying "oops!" if he were alive today.
I along with half a million
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 10:49 — Achilleus (not verified)I along with half a million other activists have a better idea: Get rid of money altogether!
We don't need it! Our technology can provide complete abundance for every human on the planet. For more information, check out thevenusproject.com or zeitgeistaddendum.com
Pity the once great nation.
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:09 — Tagger the Terrible (not verified)Pity the once great nation. Greed has wrecked her. The pillagers were of her own loins. Instead of gently sucking at her teat the child is a cannibal, a vampire at best. The middle class, the poor and the destitute needs consolidation and to mass to restore the greatness, not the rich or corporate gouls. There is a tipping point approaching. May we save ourselves or keep falling for their lies of trickle down voodoo economics where if the rich had MORE money they would create a utopia. MAKE THEM PAY!
Social Security, Medicare
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:18 — mike1210 (not verified)Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, as well as the national debt and other federal obligations combined is around $62 trillion dollars. You could seize 100% of the wealth of all those evil, horrible people in the top 1% and you would still be $43 trillion in the hole.
As a fairly well-off individual myself, I think that we need to start funding death squads to deal with wealth-stealers like Dave Johnson. Kill his family and children too.
I did a search of my zip
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:20 — Anonymous (not verified)I did a search of my zip code - 77070.
Interesting that Compaq, a defunct company absorbed by HP is getting $54,000 approx. in 2009, 9 years after their demise into business history.
Nice gig if you can get it...
Social Security, Medicare
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:20 — mike1210 (not verified)Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, as well as the national debt and other federal obligations combined is around $62 trillion dollars. You could seize 100% of the wealth of all those evil, horrible people in the top 1% and you would still be $43 trillion in the hole.
As a fairly well-off individual myself, I think that we need to start funding death squads to deal with wealth-stealers like Dave Johnson. Kill his family and children too.
Here we go, again, trying to
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 11:53 — Sandy G (not verified)Here we go, again, trying to decide whose Ox to gore. (Screw your Social Security/Medicare, just keep your fuckin' hands off MY Oil Depletion Allowance')
mike1210- is a typical
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 13:18 — annoyance (not verified)mike1210- is a typical fascist. Take him at his word. The threat he has just made should be reported to the police. While there have been some heated discussion above, even stupidity at times - it is perfectly reasonable to raise argument that the tax rate of wealthiest in the country should be higher and also to determine what is most beneficial to the national good. In a democracy there is the possibility that the majority does and can determine the limits of wealth. Corporations are given existence to operate in the public interest and abide by the laws and regulations of the Nation.
While you are forcefully expressing your rage against the postulation of such a notion as higher taxes on the wealthiest, you are quiet wrong about the right to threaten others and their families because they have offered an idea you are opposed to.
Do you want to live in such a world? What protects you and each of us is our ability to defend our ideas and present ideas without fear. Your nasty comment is not within the bounds of protected speech - no you may not threaten people- you should be concerned that you have put out in public a written death threat -
You should apologize and remove it immediately, perhaps hire a lawyer.
Don't tax anybody. Since the
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 13:56 — Anonymous (not verified)Don't tax anybody. Since the government cannot control its spending it is time we do it for them. Take One percent of all money transferred, used in purchases, moved form one bank account to another, etc. Collect it for one year, and it becomes the budget for the following year for ALL governments, Federal, State, and Local. No more income tax, no more tax loopholes, no more resources who move things around instead of inventing and creating things. No more burgeoning national debt. Simple and easy to understand.
If we're going to address
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 14:33 — YoDude (not verified)If we're going to address taxes, we need to address the fact that we only have 3 tax brackets. Why? There is no way someone earning $300,000 per year should be taxed at the same rate as someone making $300 million. In my opinion there should be at least 6 tax brackets, and anyone earning $10 million or more annually should be taxed at least 50%.
It's actually quite simple;
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 15:16 — Nick (not verified)It's actually quite simple; most of the super-wealthy want to hold on to their money at all costs. They achieve this in several ways. Tax Lawyers/Accountants to minimize personal and corporate tax, political contributions to candidates that will support their agenda and purchasing media companies to crank out propaganda to distract and placate the lower/middle class (Fox News, etc.). Don’t believe it? What would you do if YOU were super rich?
The end result of wealthy people’s influence is quite tragic. Legitimate policy issues that are extremely black and white get distorted, misrepresented and spun until the core issue is all but forgotten. A government option for health insurance becomes socialism, Obama becomes a foreign-born Muslim and not extending tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans suddenly sounds like a travesty. You don’t have to agree with networks like Fox to admire just how skilled they are at influencing public opinion by any means necessary.
There is a glimmer of hope though. The internet (as you’re witnessing on this very website) is finally allowing like-minded people to organize, share ideas and actually have a shot at influencing change. Can Obama make the chanage happen? I doubt it; he tries too hard to work with the Republicans, the vast majority of whom would rather watch the country go to hell than be saved by (gasp!) a black man. If you doubt it; watch their behaviour over the next few months as they try to do everything humanly possible to ensure Obama is not re-elected.
Does anyone here actually
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:34 — mr3 (not verified)Does anyone here actually know how much the upper brackets currently pay in taxes? How much the lower brackets pay? And regardless of that, when do we stop espousing the idea of giving the government more money and actually ask what they're doing with what they have? When do we stop holding citizens disproportionately more accountable and start holding the government properly accountable? Does the government spend our money as wisely and frugally as we spend our own? Out of every dollar of ours that they spend, how much goes to the things we vote on as being important to us? Does the government maintain a measurable amount of ethical regard in their fiscal dealings like many of us do?
Blindly increasing taxes on the rich is a cop-out. We greatly shirk our responsibility as citizens when we back ideas like this. If it helps in seeing the obvious, there's no shortage of irony in broad callings-out of the corruption and greed in the rich when calling for a transfer of their wealth to the government.
Wealth is created when
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:56 — Sayward (not verified)Wealth is created when people provide goods and services in exchange for money.
Rich people tend to have what they need---plus, there are relatively few of them---so they don't *create* wealth, they just *accumulate* it. They don't make the goods or provide services themselves; they just pay people to do the work so that they can collect the money.
People who are not rich---the majority of us---do tend to need things, so we buy---but only if we have money. The less money we have, the less we can spend. The less we spend, the lower demand there is, the fewer workers are needed to produce the goods, the higher unemployment is, etc., etc.
Henry Ford understood how the wealth cycle works, so he paid his workers enough so they could afford to buy things---like, the cars they were putting together for him---after they got done paying for their home, food, heat, etc. In fact, Ford got very rich by making sure his employees had some extra money to spend keeping the cycle going.
Today, however, the seemingly unlimited accumulation of wealth allowed by our currently very low tax rates have apparently blinded most of the rich. Profits come first; they come before God (riches vs. heaven), they come before patriotism (evading taxes, forsaking American communities and the American workforce, trying to globalize third-world wages and third-world living conditions)---and they come before the common sense of Henry Ford's example.
Wealth is created Pt. 2
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:57 — Sayward (not verified)Wealth is created Pt. 2
The rich don't give a moment's thought to all the shared ("socialist"?) resources---the roads, towns, phone and utility services, neighborhoods, sidewalks, public schools, university systems, medical research, hospitals, policemen, firefighters---that have either helped them to get where they are today or provided them with employees. They delude themselves into thinking that they "did it all on their own", and they sit like selfish children, clinging to their accumulated wealth and snarling "It's mine, mine, all mine!!!", ready to kill anybody who suggests they haven't been giving their fair share for maintaining our society.
In the meantime, the rest of us "lesser" people can't afford to buy goods and services like before, so there's no demand, no jobs, no wealth being created, and here we all sit.
Wealth is created Pt. 3
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 16:58 — Sayward (not verified)Wealth is created Pt. 3
As somebody above mentioned, Eisenhower raised the highest tax rate to 91%, where it remained during JFK's presidency. When Reagan came into office, the highest rate was 70%.
Those were the last prosperous times for America as a nation. With high tax rates, the rich weren't blinded by the possibility of unlimited wealth. They had incentive to grow, yes, but they also were left with enough common sense to pay their workers decently. One worker's wages could support a family, and a parent could stay home with a child during those vital first three or four years. The family could live well, if modestly, and still have a bit of family vacation every year. Most importantly, they had enough 'extra' money to spend to keep the cycle going, to create some wealth for everybody.
I don't see that happening again unless and until the top tax rate is raised again. Dave Johnson has it right---with the exception of inheritance, which should be taxed only after a certain amount.
If you truly want to change
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 18:27 — Anonymous (not verified)If you truly want to change the tax structure to something fair then we must all pay on gross income.
the thing people do not seem to grasp is corps pay taxes on PROFIT, not gross income or earnings statements that public corp give out at the end of the year. When you file a 40,000 page tax return you net profit becomes whatever the corp says it is, because no one has the means to check. A flat rate, no deduction tax for both business and personal is the only way.
OK, the problem here is that
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:33 — Song Seets (not verified)OK, the problem here is that the Rich have the lawmakers bought and paid for therefor, that will never happen. The Politicians are safely in their hip pockets!
www.privacy-web.edu.tc
Absolutely the right
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 19:42 — Peter G Cohen (not verified)Absolutely the right direction. I hope you will run for Congress and get elected.
To your excellent list, I would add putting tariffs on all imported goods. Our business people will get back into business when they know that they have some protection from cheap foreign labor and manipulated currencies. In the age of climate change, it is important for every nation to be as self-reliant as practical. The UN just reported that world poverty has doubled. Lets use some of our tax money to encourage self reliance among poor nations. --Thanks!
" It is pure socialist class
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 20:22 — Anonymous (not verified)" It is pure socialist class warfare nonsense. "
and taxing the crap out of the middle class while bribing congress to help them offshore their jobs en masse is not "pure capitalist class warfare"?
what vacuum do you live in that you can ignore what the super-rich do to this country and its people on a daily basis.
I'm not talking about the local businessman, or even the person who has managed to accrue a net worth of 10 million, i'm talking about the people responsible for the crash, the private mortgage bankers (sorry, it's not the government, go look up 'red lining', and do your homework on fannie and freddie).
Maybe the system works. If
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 21:13 — Pounder1974 (not verified)Maybe the system works.
If one bothers to educate, grow contextually, learn the rules etc and not go the game/watch masses of TV/bbq/fishing/other trivial pursuit...
then maybe one could get richer - and stop whining.
Remember the golden rule....
Them who has the gold....make the rules.
Although thorough and
Sun, 11/28/2010 - 23:32 — Steve Regan (not verified)Although thorough and accurate, this plan will not be put into effect, but does anyone remember a tastier plan from the sixties "Eat the Rich". Since they're all eating organically raised Kobe beef and oysters they probably taste good and are good for you. And like the loaves and fishes, everyone you eat feeds ten more (resource consumption reduction).
who are these rich people
Mon, 11/29/2010 - 01:10 — Anonymous (not verified)who are these rich people you plan to unfairly tax to pay for others failures (I mean, the "unfortunate")...most of them worked hard to get where they are and shouldnt be punished by giving up their hard earned money for losers who drain the system sitting pretty on social services. Get off your buts and get a job. Dont buy crap you cant afford. save your money...get rid of ALL welfare, and social security, and the US would be a better place. Health care is not a right...you have to work for it...the "unfortunate" shoulda thought of that when they were making D's in high school and knockin each other up. Why should I pay for their stupidity and laziness?
America needs a new dream.
Mon, 11/29/2010 - 04:59 — Hippieland.net (not verified)America needs a new dream. The old one of "get rich quick" is outdated and obsolete.
I'm always amused when
Mon, 11/29/2010 - 07:29 — mike1211 (not verified)I'm always amused when communists call me a "fascist", ignoring the fact that fascism is a form of guild socialism.
In America since 1950, average growth during high tax periods where the government confiscated more than 18% of GDP was 1.08%. Average growth during normal tax periods was 2.45%. (http://jim.com/econ_growth/index.html) Average real GDP growth during evil low Reagan taxes, 1982 to 1990, minus federal government expenditures, was 3.01%.
I wish I only had to pay for roads and sewers - my taxes would be a small fraction of what they are now.
Get your facts straight -
Mon, 11/29/2010 - 22:16 — Anonymous (not verified)Get your facts straight - the idea that the Republicans (in particular the oft-revoltingly-adulated criminal known to us as Ronald Reagan formerly referred to as Ronald RayGun during his takeover of California in the 60's) - again, the idea that these Republicans are the ones who understand economics is ridiculous - every single Republican that held office increased our deficit - all the way from Do-nothing Hoover to Steal-as-much-as-you-can Bush. And every time, a Democrat has to get into office to repair the damage - this time the corporate looting may have gone too far - Bush gave us 8 years of uncontrollable looting and pillaging and then ended it all by coming on TV 2 months before he is obviously going to be voted out and tells us that if we don't hand over another 700 billion dollars the sky will fall. It was highway robbery. It's really very funny if it weren't so sad.
I find it interesting that
Tue, 11/30/2010 - 00:47 — Forrest (not verified)I find it interesting that those that don't want high taxes for the rich, don't want any support for working folks. Also also don't want high wages for the working folks (but defend bank busting bonuses of useless CEOs)
Maybe if US employers provided a living wage, relative to the cost of living (where a family need only rely on one income earner), a robust medical plan for ALL WORKERS, unemployment insurance for ALL WORKERS, and a pension for ALL WORKERS they would be have more of a case for lower taxes.
But as it is, the capital/investment class and its gov't minions treat the working class like the old horse in Animal Farm. Whipped, beaten, over worked and disenfranchised. That is the American working and middle class.
"If one bothers to educate,
Tue, 11/30/2010 - 06:50 — Anonymous (not verified)"If one bothers to educate, grow contextually, learn the rules etc and not go the game/watch masses of TV/bbq/fishing/other trivial pursuit..."
and maybe you don't have a god damned clue how much harder those who are not multibillionares work!
As a general rule, the less money you have, the harder you are working in the US.
Play by the rules, and people will cheat you, work hard, and cheaters will enslave you, and if you don't start with a silver spoon in your mouth, you'll never come close to one.
"... growth during high tax
Tue, 11/30/2010 - 06:58 — Anonymous (not verified)"... growth during high tax periods where the government confiscated more than 18% of GDP was 1.08%. ...during normal tax periods was 2.45%. ..real GDP growth during evil low Reagan taxes, 1982..was 3.01%."
How about growth in median wage instead of "average"? The GDP supposedly skyrocketed under bush too!
How about the fact that through the 50's and 60's the convenience store clerk's kids could go to college, and everyone could afford a house.
How about the fact that under Reagan we lost our entire manufacturing sector, and the age of the housewife ended because, after 260 years of single earner households, it just wasn't possible to do it that way for 90% of american families.
"who are these rich people
Tue, 11/30/2010 - 07:03 — Anonymous (not verified)"who are these rich people you plan to unfairly tax to pay for others failures (I mean, the "unfortunate")...most of them worked hard to get where they are"
Yes, they worked hard being pushed out of another rich person's woumb, or lying to a rich person until they got to the altar, or waiting around for their rich relative to die. (fact: the vast majority of wealthy people are born into it, inherit it, or marry into it, and are set for life)
It doesn't matter how industrious the rest of us are, unless we do one of those 3, the billionares have rigged the system to make sure of that. So next time you're slaving away at a 12 hour day, remember that right now the rich are napping, playing tennis, or lying at the beach, laughing at your ardent defense of their tactics as they profit off your blood, sweat, and tears.
"average growth during high
Tue, 11/30/2010 - 07:18 — Anonymous (not verified)"average growth during high tax periods where the government confiscated more than 18% of GDP was 1.08%"
Notice the lack of a specific time frame, making it impossible to fact check.
"verage growth during normal tax periods was 2.45%"
Again no time frame, and what exactly is 'normal', another nebulous term.
"1982 to 1990, minus federal government expenditures, was 3.01%."
and in 1991 the recession which was inevitable because the "profits" and "growth" were at the cost of middle class income (and thus the majority of consumer expenditures) wiped it all off the map..
so, the selective used of data makes me wonder, what branch of fox news or the heritage foundation do you work for?
Once upon a time, more than
Wed, 12/01/2010 - 09:21 — The sleeping giant (not verified)Once upon a time, more than a decade ago, I was a republican. I am a small business owner (carpenter by trade and 30 years of training) and a very independent type of person. Not anymore.
This unforgivable looting of this country is on par with what happened in France way back when. "Let them eat cake" is a refrain I hear from our so called leaders and in forums like this. Indeed....
Do I hear the guillotine being sharpened? I think one comment made here actually advocated killing a commentator and his family? I think it will most likely be the other way around. Bankers and lawyers, politicians and CEO's dragged from their homes and shot in front of their homes is a scenario not so far from belief.
Seems the very rich have forgotten one very important thing. We outnumber them by more than 100 to 1.
Viva le revelution!!!!
My, my. The latest
Wed, 12/01/2010 - 10:37 — The Queen (not verified)My, my. The latest Raspublican talking point must pertain to shaming the author's mother. Do you right wingers really think the rest of us can't see your actions for what they are? I like this plan and think it's fair. Besides, I think it would work. This nation needs a reality shift — and quickly.
You guys cant't be serious.
Wed, 12/01/2010 - 21:43 — Anonymous (not verified)You guys cant't be serious. The revenue received by the government during the Reagan Years was over the top compared to the previous administration. The reason for this is that it was far less expensive to make money and pay tax on it. The other reason is that the "Rich" expanded their businesses and invested in the economy and employed many more of us middle class folks and we paid taxes as well. Not to mention the underground economy shrank too because the danger of breaking the law by working under the table and avoiding taxes wasn't as attractive because the tax rates were low enough that the risk wasn't worth the gain. The free market system works if it is left unfettered by government regulation. How many of you have ever been employed by a poor man or woman. It is the dirty rich that employ us all. Let them keep their money and make more! That is more for me because the economy will boom and the job market will expand and there will be more products to buy at cheaper prices and on and on and on. The way to get our economy going is to lower taxes further so small and medium business owners and yes those dirty corporations can keep the revenue they are earning and reinvest it in their companies and expand and make more of that filthy filthy money. It will be better for us all. It took a jimmy Carter to get us a Ronald Reagan, the man that broke the soviet economy and ended the cold war and tore down the Berlin Wall.