"The Price That We Pay" - Undocumented Immigrants and Taxation
Sunday 06 June 2010
by: Yana Kunichoff, t r u t h o u t | Report

(Image: Jared Rodriguez / t r u t h o u t; Adapted: Matt Cohen Photo / 1115, hasby)
Editor's Note: This is the first installment of a three-part series on immigration.
Rita's house on the South Side of Chicago could be any Mexican-American family home - In the corner a big "I love you, Mom!" balloon sags against the wall, a relic of Mother's Day a couple of weeks ago. On the coffee table sits an orange Brain Quest game, and hanging on the wall is a large, framed photo of Rita's eldest daughter, resplendent in her white quinceanera dress. As many people do, she keeps her tax statements for each year in separate, pristine manila envelopes, away from the clutter of the living room and the curious nose of the family's chihuahua.
Rita, a 47-year-old Hispanic woman, may in fact be the blueprint for a growing number of Mexican-American immigrant lifestyles: Rita is an undocumented immigrant, and a taxpayer.
According to her 2009 tax return, the divorced mother of three, who asked that her last name not be used for fear of prosecution, made $18,295.68 of which $1,170.41 was withheld for Social Security tax and $273.73 for Medicare - benefits that Rita is unlikely to ever see.
A poll conducted in 2006 by ABC News and The Washington Post found that a third of all Americans said their biggest objection to undocumented immigrants is their use of "more public services than they pay for in taxes." Many of these same people oppose comprehensive immigration reform for this reason, and among conservative pundits such as Bill O'Reilly the notion that undocumented immigrants pay tax at all has been derided as "crap."
But reports by the Congressional Budget Office and the Social Security Administration confirm that undocumented immigrants in fact pay many different types of taxes, including sales tax, property tax, Social Security tax and income tax.
Francine Lipman, a professor of tax law at Chapman University, says the disinformation about the tax contributions of undocumented immigrants can be attributed to both "confusion about the system generally and . . . that we have a history of scapegoating people when times are tough, and maybe also when times are good."
Lipman's research in her 2006 report, "The Undocumented Immigrant Tax: Enriching America from Sea to Shining Sea," investigated the position of the low-income, undocumented person in the American tax system.
"Most of our tax system is seamless," Lipman went on to say, explaining that therefore, "folks don't think about the taxes they pay just for consuming."
Along with sales tax, which Lipman says immigrants pay whenever they spend money - and because they have low-income jobs, a high proportion of their salary goes to sales tax because they spend it on taxed products such as food and property - undocumented immigrants also file tax returns.
Lipman first discovered this when holding a tax clinic for low-income taxpayers. "My students were helping," said Lipman, "and all of the sudden they said Professor Lipman, this gentleman has all these Social Security numbers - and this other number. And that's how I discovered it."
This "other number," which Rita and other immigrants who do not have a valid Social Security number use to file taxes, is the nine-digit individual taxpayer identification number, or ITIN.
The ITIN
The ITIN was first created in 1996 in order to allow the Internal Revenue Service to track the tax returns of individuals who are ineligible for a Social Security number, but who have US-source incomes. With this number, an individual who sends the IRS documents that prove their foreign status and identity can file tax returns and receive refunds.
Despite the lack of definitive numbers, it is believed that most taxpayers who use ITINs are undocumented immigrants, though ITINs are also issued to foreign nationals who make a living from US-based businesses but may not reside in the country. According to the New York Times, about 15 million ITINs have been issued by the IRS since 1996.
The individual taxpayer identification number can also be used to open up bank accounts, to amend returns filed in the past with a false Social Security number, or to file taxes for income earned under a false Social Security number, making them particularly flexible for undocumented immigrants who usually work off the books or may use false Social Security numbers.
According to Robert Palacios, the director of tax services at the Center for Economic Progress, about five percent of clients the Center assists in the state of Illinois pay their tax returns with ITIN numbers.
Of the 33,000 clients for whom the Center helped fill out their tax returns in 2009, about 1,400 of them did so with an ITIN number. Another 686 had a spouse who had an ITIN. "I think its pretty impressive that people who are sort of living in the shadows, so to speak, in other aspects of their lives are perfectly willing to pay their taxes," said Palacios, who has been helping tax payers file in Chicago since 1997.
The manila envelopes in which Rita keeps her tax information display the sticker of the company that helps her file taxes - a firm in downtown Chicago that she pays $30 per filing. Rita has been in the country as an undocumented immigrant since August 1993, when she left the poverty of her small, rural town in the state of Guanajuato, Mexico to join her husband, who was already living and working in Chicago. She began filing taxes in 1995, soon after she began her job at the plumbing parts factory where she still works.
On her tax form, Rita files with one dependent - her 2nd grade, American citizen son. But when she crossed the border in a van, hiding under a fold-out couch in the back, she brought two others - her five-year-old daughter and three-year-old son. Now respectively 23 and 21, Rita's son and daughter, along with herself, are part of the estimated 11.9 million undocumented immigrants living in the United States, according to a 2008 report by the Pew Research Center - five percent of the nation's workforce.
Work in the City
In Chicago, undocumented immigrants "seek work at extremely high rates [of] 91 percent," according to a 2002 study conducted by the Center for Urban Economic Development at the University of Illinois at Chicago. For this work, the study found, their average hourly wage is $7.00 - a dollar less than the $8.00 legal minimum in Illinois. Relative to immigrants with legal status, the study noted, undocumented immigrants report working in unsafe conditions at considerably higher rates. They are also the only immigrant group for which educational attainment does not have significant positive wage effects.
The study, which surveyed 1,653 documented and undocumented immigrants living in the Chicago area, also estimated that "the consumer expenditures of undocumented immigrants in the Chicago metro area generate 31,000 jobs in the local economy and add $5.45 billion annually to the gross regional product."
Rita, who makes $9.50 an hour working 6:30 am to 3:00 pm at the plumbing parts factory, and who takes overtime whenever she can get it, says the 15.4 percent missing from her paycheck is money she sorely needs.
Her daughter works 15-30 hours a week in addition to attending college, and after paying for her school fees and her cell phone bill, puts the money towards household expenses - her eldest son does the same. But even with this, the family lives from paycheck to paycheck, Rita says.
Diego Bonesatti, a community worker with 21 years of experience in nonprofit immigration law and immigrant rights and is currently volunteering to set up a immigration legal clinic at a community center in the Chicago suburbs, says that despite the struggles, there are compelling reasons for undocumented immigrants to pay taxes. It "definitely helps in specific immigration cases for undocumented immigrants - such as Cancellation of Removal [deportation] for non-permanent residents to help satisfy specific statutory requirements," he says.
Paying taxes is beneficial in cases where there is a requirement to prove good moral character, as it shows both compliance with the law and gainful employment, Bonesatti said, adding that "it also helps in other matters of discretion" where it may help tilt the balance in favor of the applicant.
Furthermore, he continued, the majority of immigration reform proposals, from the Bush-era Security Through Regularized Immigration and a Vibrant Economy Act (STRIVE) of 2007 to the most recent Comprehensive Immigration Reform for America's Security and Prosperity Act (CIR ASAP) of 2009, have included some form of tax payment to start a path towards legalization. Bonesatti says he expects the final bill, whenever it is ultimately voted on, to have a tax component.
Out of the System
The assumption of anti-immigrant figureheads is that undocumented immigrants are a burden on social services and benefit unfairly from government programs, but until comprehensive immigration reform is passed, undocumented immigrants are disqualified from nearly all means-tested government programs. The sweeping welfare reform bill excluded undocumented immigrants from housing, Medicaid and Medicare-funding hospitalization assistance and food stamps - the only services that are available to them are K-12 education and emergency medical care.
Those who do pay taxes are eligible for tax refunds but not for the Earned Income Tax Credit, which is a refundable income tax credit for low to middle-income families. By 2009 federal poverty guidelines, Rita's family lives below the poverty line, which is $22,050 for a family of four. Based on their financial information, if they were eligible for Earned Income Tax Credit they would receive $2,780 back for 2009.
Also, because the majority of undocumented immigrants come to the United States during their prime working years, the cost of their education and upbringing has already been paid by their home countries.
According to a study released by the National Council of La Raza, "During their working life, undocumented immigrants in the United States will pay, on average, approximately $80,000 more in taxes per capita than they use in government services, owing to the fact that they are not eligible to take advantage of almost all of the social service programs offered by the federal government."
This is the case on both the federal and state level - the La Raza report cites the disclosure of the Texas Comptroller that, in 2006, undocumented immigrants paid about $424.7 million more in state revenues than they actually used in state services, which included education and health care.
The IRS has also recognized the contribution of undocumented immigrants: IRS Commissioner Mark Everson told a Congressional hearing in 2006 that "Many illegal aliens, utilizing ITINs, have been reporting tax liability [earned] to the tune of almost $50 billion from 1996 to 2003."
Stephen C. Goss, the Social Security Administration's chief actuary, said, "Our assumption is that about three-quarters of other-than-legal immigrants pay payroll taxes." Other-than-legal is the agency's term for undocumented immigrants.
According to an article by the New York Times, the Social Security Administration placed W-2 earning reports they received with incorrect information, starting largely in the late 1980s, into an "earnings suspense file." About $189 billion in wages were recorded in this file over the 1990's - two and a half times the amount in the 1980s - and the file continues to grow by more than $50 billion a year, the article states. This generates up to $7 billion in tax revenue for Social Security, and $1.5 billion in Medicare taxes.
"Illegal immigrants account for the vast majority of the suspense file . . . Especially its growth over the 1990's, as more and more undocumented immigrants entered the work force," said Nick Theodore, the director of the Center for Urban Economic Development at UIC.
Federal Protection
The IRS has in large part kept itself separate from immigration services, and avoided punishing the individuals who shore up the system. According to the Legal Services of New Jersey website, "The IRS takes privacy laws very seriously. The IRS cannot report you to immigration or UCIS for getting an ITIN. A court, however, can make the IRS release information about you if you are in deportation proceedings or under suspicion for terrorist activities."
Following the raiding of a tax filing office in Colorado in 2009 by the sheriff to find information on undocumented immigrants using fake social security numbers, IRS spokesman Frank Keith, said, "We are concerned when information provided by taxpayers to meet their legal tax obligations is used for purposes other than federal tax administration."
A projection of the effects of higher and lower immigration patterns on taxes conducted by the Social Security Administration from census and Immigration and Customs Enforcement data in 2007 found that with high immigration the SSA's combined trust fund would last four years longer than with half the amount of immigration.
A study by the Center for American Progress found that, "Comprehensive immigration reform that legalizes currently unauthorized immigrants and creates flexible legal limits on future immigration in the context of full labor rights . . . would yield at least $1.5 trillion in cumulative U.S. gross domestic product over 10 years."
For Rita, the decision to come to the United States and live as an undocumented immigrant has been worth the risk, she says. There has always been food on the table, and her eldest daughter was recently awarded one of the few university scholarships available to undocumented students. Her youngest son, when he grows up, will have all the educational possibilities that this woman who was not educated past the sixth-grade always dreamed her child would have.
Rita's opinion on the way her hard-earned money is shoring up the short-fall in Social Security taxes while she lives in the shadows of the immigration system? That's "the price that we pay."

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Many "undocumented workers"
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 10:19 — edinanmn (not verified)Many "undocumented workers" live in the underground and cash based economy. Many low paying jobs which attract undocumented workers don't offer health insurance and result in overloading emergency rooms. Figure these and other costs of illegals and then decide if the analysis of this article is correct.
Possible to let these poor
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 10:19 — Anonymous (not verified)Possible to let these poor folks in via Gastarbeiter?
Illegal immigrants do not
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 10:48 — Jim Campbell (not verified)Illegal immigrants do not pay taxes. They are a drag on the economy not a boost. Show me documented proof of any one illegal immigrant who has paid income tax. Sure they pay sales tax when they purchase retail items, but that is all. Show me documented proof of any one illegal immigrant who has paid taxes. I challenge you! This is left wing bs.
Good report, well
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:03 — Phil (not verified)Good report, well researched. I hope the author will do an article on international marriages and how unbelievably bureaucratic and broken the system is. USCIS lacks transparency, accountability and they don't even add to the security system. They are just there to protect their jobs. It's unbelievable what people go thru. I know, we're going thru it.
Also, working visas, for people who are here legally and then get kicked out. There was an article in the NYT about a British couple here for 10 years, owned a restaurant and home. Their crime?? In a recession year, their income dipped below arbitrary guidelines so out they go. They didn't owe taxes, lived frugally, paid their bills but out.
Lastly, cross border issues with Canada is costing border states jobs and again families are broken up. Immigration is more than a racial issue, it cuts across economic, cultural and privacy issues.
Look at the "crap"
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:14 — Anonymous (not verified)Look at the "crap" immediately following the article in the comments section. Let labor flow unfettered without Government intervention. Conservatives are seeking to expand Government once again based on classism, another clear paradox, underwriting their credibility. They want armed goons to keep the "untouchables" down.
Campbell you fool, did you
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:15 — Anonymous (not verified)Campbell you fool, did you even read the article?
First of all, this is NOT a
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:33 — ProfessorEmeritus Peter Bagnolo (not verified)First of all, this is NOT a racial issue, it is a criminal issue. It is also a wage/benefits busting issue, created by the corporations who brought America Outsourcing of Jobs and NAFTA.
Illegal Aliens take jobs at lower pay levels, thus undercutting union wage and benefits levels, as such they are Scab workers and along with Outsourcing corporations are a large part of the Republican Right Wing Effort to destroy unions, benefits, pensions, Social Security and Medicare.
By accepting lower wages and benefits they are Paying LESS taxes than American Citizens do-same jobs, less taxes and they are taking jobs away from Citizens, Union Workers, some of their own nationality. Had they come over and applied for citizenship, they would be welcomed.
Had they observed the going pay scale and refused anything less like so many American citizens of every nationality including many Mexican workers who are legal citizens and who do belong to unions, they would be welcomed
Apparently the higher points of this debate have alluded the writer. You work for an organization that depends upon donations. Donations are made by union workers and often by unions and by people like me. Are you paid union scale?
I and a number of my colleagues supported The Civil Rights Act of 1964. My grandfather created one of the very first Integrated Unions in Illinois. I supported financially ML King, and also walked with his people on several occasions. However, I neither support nor respect NAFTA because it is a tool of the Corporate attack on wages, pensions and benefits. You are on the wrong side of this issue. You need to do the math and calculate how many America taxpayers are now out of work, replaced by people overseas or Illegal Aliens who are paying less taxes.
The plan to wreck the salaries and benefits of American workers was initiated by several Right Wing Groups, so in this issue, apparently a bit over your head, you are supporting The Military Industrial Complex's wage busting Corporations. Congratulations on selling working Americans and Unions out.
You need to do a peck of research before you write any more articles about things of which you know very little to nothing.
Illegal immigrants do get
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:34 — Mike (not verified)Illegal immigrants do get housing and food stamps if they have 'an anchor baby'. This is fact. I was told the child that was born here qualifies and that child needs its parents.
To Jim Campbell: can you
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:35 — Anonymous (not verified)To Jim Campbell: can you read?
Don't undocumented people buy things, paying sales tax, at the least. But the article explicitly says:
"Rita, a 47-year-old Hispanic woman, may in fact be the blueprint for a growing number of Mexican-American immigrant lifestyles: Rita is an undocumented immigrant, and a taxpayer."
Yours is right wing bs.
How can someone that is
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:41 — Anonymous (not verified)How can someone that is illegally in the country pay taxes? When they do not have a tax ID number or SSN if they are illegals?
I think someone needs to check their facts, and provide some sort of proof and citations. This doesn't ring true at all, as stated in an earlier post, outside of Sales Tax most illegals don't pay any tax.
Please try to stick to reality and f acts please. Not usually one agree with right-wing conservatives but this is way to bleeding heart liberal....
A guest worker system
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:44 — Anonymous (not verified)A guest worker system (Braceros) worked before in California. Who would clean the stables, cut the grass and weed the gardens, pick the vegetables in the fields, take care of children of working US mothers, cook, clean and do all the dirty work Americans don't want to do if there weren't citizens of other countries too poor to do anything else? These people often have to live under plastic tarps because their employers don't pay them enough to live like us privileged people. Why so much hate and so little compassion for these hardworking immigrants who are human beings, too? Our forefathers and mothers came from somewhere else, unless you happen to be a Native American.
Thank you for this excellent
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 11:52 — Brenda Murphy (not verified)Thank you for this excellent report. It
is so important to dispel the myths that float
around and have the correct information
communicated.
I am also appreciative of the work Truthout does
in presenting well thought out arguements
and correct information.
This is a tiresome subject,
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 12:32 — prellmechanik (not verified)This is a tiresome subject, made even more tiresome by delusional people who choose to cling to myths rather than facts.
Nobel laureate economist Paul Krugman wrote a column for the NYTimes in March 2006 in which he concluded that "Unfortunately, low-skill immigrants don't pay enough in taxes to cover the cost of benefits they receive."
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/03/27/opinion/27krugman.html?scp=1&sq=March%2027,%202006%20Krugman&st=cse
You can either believe Krugman or the 'study' by the National Council of La Raza.
Another tear jerker about
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 12:41 — Carl (not verified)Another tear jerker about the plight of foreigners who break our laws. How much did she get back from EIC and other fed programs intended for poor citizens. How many Americans suffered from unemployment due to her lawlessness?
BTW, ITINs have not been issued since 2002 since the requirements to obtain one are now the same as a SSN. Yet another anti-worker article from corporate America, brought to you by Truthout. I now await the insults by rich working Americans who don't care about America's poor and unemployed.
She is not an animal, she
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 12:44 — Anonymous (not verified)She is not an animal, she has documents, just not the ones needed to work here legally. Why does this corporate spinmaster call here that? Perhaps we should call her -- lets say "Illegal alien" which is the best English word for her status, and similar to the word used in Mexico -- illegales.
All you guys complaining
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 13:44 — Peaceradical (not verified)All you guys complaining about undocumented immigrants taking jobs that send American workers to the unemployment lines are missing the point. First off NAFTA has sent more people to the lines than any immigrant "problem". If you want to be angry, growl at the politicians that sent your jobs to Mexico in the first place. You elected them, the immigrants didn't. Many of them are here as a result of the American corporations steeling their land packing them to the cities where they can rarely find jobs paying enough to survive. If we hadn't done that in the first place there would be plenty of jobs to go around. If the tables were turned you'd do the same thing. You wouldn't want to work for a mexican owned company at slave wages. You would seek a living wage if you could and you would leave the country to find it.
Just stop complaining about what others are doing and let's all force our government to dump nafta and legislate policies that create jobs so we can all live in peace.
MISLEADING! She has 3 kids,
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 13:53 — bobfrank (not verified)MISLEADING!
She has 3 kids, all of whom are most likely anchor babies that received free education and assistance (judging by her income).
It's very easy to discount the anchor babies that illegals have in order to take advantage of public benefits; the illegal might not be getting the money directly but the children they had while here must certainly be considered in any analysis of what they use vs. what they contribute.
Would Disneyland approve of
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 14:03 — Cyndi (not verified)Would Disneyland approve of visitors who snuck in through the back gate? Would they turn a blind eye to illegal entrants as long as those people were buying food and clothing once they got inside?
An amusement park controls its admission better than our country controls its borders. A business understands that the people entering need to be screened. Our country simply needs to set a strong admissions policy and then adhere to it.
Those who snuck in without a ticket have had their fun. Once they've been caught, they need to go back outside the gates, stand in line, and return through the correct procedures.
i am 8l years old from the
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 14:25 — Anonymous (not verified)i am 8l years old from the southwest and have researched and lived through so many of the events that have become cliches for the vitriol that passes for debate or dialogue on a subject that is reduced to unmitigated racism. from the bracero's in the 50's, to organizing farm workers, migrant workers and to all efforts to dispel the responses of those that cant do anything other than chant hate, hate, they are blinded by it and cant read.
Um prellmechanik, None of
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 14:30 — Larry Signor (not verified)Um prellmechanik, None of US pay enough, or we would probably see some downward pressure on the national debt. Beyond that observation, the cost/benefit research concerning "illegal" immigration is disparate and colored by ideology. It is hardly conclusive.
Carl, If you need an ITIN, here is the link for the 2010 updated application - http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/fw7.pdf
If you had bothered to read Yanas article you might have stumbled across this: "if they were eligible for Earned Income Tax Credit they would receive $2,780 back for 2009. ". Undocumented workers are not eligible for the EIC.
What is tiresome is the knee jerk reaction Americans have to this debate. Distortion, obfuscation and thinly veiled racism do not pass muster as logical building blocks. Good job, Ms. Kunichoff .
Truthout doesn't even hide
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 14:37 — Anonymous (not verified)Truthout doesn't even hide its corporate sponsorship anymore. THREE! Three articles in support of mass illegal immigration are on today's issue. Articles about the working poor? ZERO. Unemployment, maybe Reichs article.
Citizen objections prevented GW Bush from pushing through a second Reganesqe amnesty to encourage millions more desperate foreigners from rushing over here. Will Obama finally realize Bushes dream, by fooling so-called Liberals? Yes, blame NAFTA, but that doesn't fix the current problem. All you got to do is yell "racist" and spineless "progressives" run to hide.
How about an article that shows places with large numbers of illegals have lower wages? How about the lack of affordable low-income housing, since millions of units are filled by illegals. How about states cutting health services since they are overrun by illegals seeking care?
If Paul Krugman of the NY
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 15:03 — Anonymous (not verified)If Paul Krugman of the NY Times says illegals are not paying enough taxes to cover their actual costs, we should listen to him. The article says the only publicly funded health care they get is emergency care. This is blatantly untrue! They use the emergency room the way we use our primary doctor.
I agree that NAFTA is one of the underlying causes of the problem and must be dealt with. However, the law allowing anyone born on American soil to automatically have citizenship should be revoked--and retroactively for at least the past 12years.
Don't "illegals" pay
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 15:08 — drosera (not verified)Don't "illegals" pay property taxes (through their rent in some cases) in addition to sales taxes? That should pay for at least part of their kids' schooling. And won't those kids (those "anchor babies" rightists are always talking about) be earning money to juice the economy, thereby paying for Social Security retirement benefits of us all? As for no one paying through ITIN numbers--I need proof of that. The IRS discusses ITIN numbers as if they are still around, unlike what one of the posters here said. They disappeared in 2002? Source? Fact is, rightists should be happy about any kind of immigration; it allows people in who will work under miserable working conditions for peanuts. Isn't that what you all want? Think of all the extra money employers get so they can buy their new trucks, yachts, and whatever. Even contribute to the Tea Party. You shouldn't bite the hand that feeds you.
Who are the biggest drain on
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 15:12 — Anonymous (not verified)Who are the biggest drain on the system? It's not even close. Hands down, white males. White males receive billions in corporate welfare. Tax free. With no stigma.
I worked for social services - in the welfare dept. Young, able-bodies white males were by far the biggest percentage of clients at my office. Not because they were laid off. Most hadn't worked in years. They just ran out of women to mooch off of. White females were the 2nd largest percentage. Unlike white males however, the majority of white females worked. Their employers (also white males) just weren't paying them enough to make ends meet. Minorities made up less than 1% of my clients. Even tho Latinos make up 36% of this state's population.
In short, white males project what they're guilty of onto women and minorities in a complete reversal. What else is new with white men? They're lies on the hoof. White men need to go back to Europe. They're illegal in the U.S. The aboriginals (Native Americans and Mexicans) were here first. They did not cross your borders, white boy. You crossed theirs.
So, Larry, let me
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 15:45 — prellmechanik (not verified)So, Larry, let me understand: The cost/benefit research concerning "illegal" immigration is hardly conclusive and colored by ideology? Does this mean that Paul Krugman is a tea partier?
Dear white male hater, Why
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 15:51 — Roger (not verified)Dear white male hater,
Why do you post obvious BS. I am a poor able body white male, like half of Americans. If there were "welfare" programs for me I would sign up. There are none, which is why you see millions of homeless males of all races living on the streets. One reason they can't find jobs is because some employers like desperate illegals who don't complain about unsafe working conditions.
BTW, I did not come from Europe. I was born here, just like my fellow citizens from all races. Pick up a history book to learn that American Indians migrated from Asia. Meanwhile, stop your racist rants and try to love and help all poor Americans, when if they are white.
The comments section on this
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 16:40 — Robert Walters (not verified)The comments section on this article reveals the severe deficiency of our educational system in teaching reading and reading comprehension, to say nothing of rhetoric and logic, including basic math. It also reveals the success of the propaganda processes employed so vigorously by anti-immigrant demagogues.
Some people, I'm afraid, are so hopelessly entrenched in their somewhat bigoted beliefs about immigrants (and mostly those beliefs are directed ONLY at Hispanic immigrants) and so devoted to so-called "news" sources that reinforce those beliefs, that no amount of actual data will make the slightest dent in their attitudes. Their motto & mantra: "Don't confuse me with facts; my mind (such as it is) is firmly made up!"
Rita and her children should
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 16:51 — Anonymous (not verified)Rita and her children should go back to their own country. We can't afford them anymore. Some AMERICAN CITIZEN could be working in her position.
Who can compete for a job at
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 17:48 — Anonymous (not verified)Who can compete for a job at a plumbing parts company with a woman who has less than a 6th grade education and is willing to smuggle across a border under the seat of a car with 2 children?
To think that our government has been knowingly taking tax dollars from her and that this company couldn't have NOT known that she was working illegally.
And now they want the American public to take responsibility for THEIR corruption?
Where is the Mexican government in this matter right now? So they can assist this woman with relocating and assimilating back into Mexico and its employment market? Let them and our officials and the Catholic Church all put their heads together on her behalf -- back in Mexico.
Punish the plumbing company, and throw a lot of government officials in jail for knowingly collecting tax money from illegal workers -- if this story is even true.
An American citizen should be working in that job and that job should be paying more money.
When did 21st century Mexico
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 17:55 — Anonymous (not verified)When did 21st century Mexico with its democratically elected President Calderon at its helm, bustling cities, technology, health care system, public school system .. become "Escape From Alcatraz?"
If illegals are paying taxes
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 17:56 — Anonymous (not verified)If illegals are paying taxes then why hasn't the IRS worked with Immigration to deport them? Why isn't there a data bank of US citizens to compare names to? The fact you got away with stealing some citizen's job for years and raised a family doesn't give you the right to citizenship. Go home!
20:12 -- If you work in the
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:04 — Anonymous (not verified)20:12 -- If you work in the welfare department of social services, as you claim, you should be thrown out on the street on your butt for having such a jackass attitude towards the people you work with. I'm sure there are a number of them who could do your job much better.
In addition to emergency
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:13 — Anonymous (not verified)In addition to emergency room expenses mentioned @ 20:03 (I haven't read the Krugman article yet, but will), the community clinic system is entirely segregated in order to service large illegal labor pools. Some state segments of which are headed by former Mexican government officials! Who import "legal" visa workers into jobs Americans could do -- except that all language needs *must be serviced* - the great excuse for keeping Americans out of those jobs that hide illegal labor. This corrupt community clinic system is being expanded by the clowns in Washington, along with Medicaid, instead of opening up Medicare to all Americans (which would be integrated health care, and ergo, not secret enough). So, yes, Krugman would be VERY wrong, and in addition to the emergency room costs, and documentations of hospitals at the border and elsewhere closing down because of funding crises that have been caused because of this issue.
Whether babies born here of
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:15 — Anonymous (not verified)Whether babies born here of non- residents should be citizens is current law-despite consideration of changing that,so "anchor babies"is unnecessarily demeaning.Broadly,legal immigration is beneficial and worthy,but illegal immigrants(no visitor/worker/resident visa)break our law.Political or Corporate convenience does not justify that.Assuming US workers unavailable,work visa requirements apply.Illegal immigrants here without US born children should return home& apply as normal procedure,while work visa laws maintained. and a formal work program
The aboriginals (Native
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:16 — Anonymous (not verified)The aboriginals (Native Americans and Mexicans) were here first. They did not cross your borders, white boy. You crossed theirs.
Smacks of racism, but doesn't stop them from stealing something they never had when we came.
I think people forget that
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 18:58 — Anonymous (not verified)I think people forget that U.S. born children of Mexican citizens have dual citizenship. This P.R. line of, "This is an American citizen!" is overplayed and ridiculous. It's like, well, this is also a Mexican citizen folks because of his or her parent's citizenship. I don't believe in changing the 14th amendment, but I do think our system is being gamed by people breaking our laws, and I don't think having a child in the United States is a good enough reason to be able to stay. Also, a court has ruled that it's not a good enough reason for the child, either. There are, of course, exceptions -- as in the case of someone raised culturally as an American -- and potentially being sent back to a remote village to be forced into marriage, or killed as soon as they step off the airplane into a civil war -- but we're talking about Mexico, not any of those extreme types of situations. And, even insofar as those extreme cases are concerned, the USSC ruled that a person could even be deported back to a country with no functioning central government. But all this with Mexico is about CORRUPTION and NAFTA and the American people's jobs being sold down the river and the Mexican government not taking an responsibility either.
THOSE WHO SUPPORT ILLEGAL
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 19:07 — Francis (not verified)THOSE WHO SUPPORT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION SHOULD BE REMOVED ON JUNE 8 & NOVEMBER.
Through the American people have been adamantly promised that the border remains unsealed. This is far from the truth? The 2006 Secure border fence was cut back in secret meetings in Washington. The 2006 Omnibus Consolidated Appropriations bill that gutted the 2006 Secure Fence Act that would have constructed the first 854 miles of the U.S-Mexico border. An amendment submitted by Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison, R-TX, and co-sponsored by Sen. John Cornyn, (R-TX), for the Department of Homeland Security 2008 budget was aimed at gutting the already-approved H.R. 6061 Secure Fence Act. Sen. Hutchison in the summer 2006 had drafted S.Amdt. 2466 to H.R. 2368 (the DHS appropriations bill). “The Hutchison amendment gave DHS virtually total discretion over how and where the fence is built,” Rep. Duncan Hunter (R-CA) the principle draftee of the law, stated, " By eliminating the double fence requirement, the Democratic Congress is going to make it easier for drug and human smugglers to cross our Southern land ," The double fence never WAS, instead we have the single fence line and even that fence is compromised, by wide areas of nothing but old barbed wire.
The--REAL--fence was a TWO FENCES, the second , a high 15 foot fence that you usually see around a prison compound and at its peak razor wire. Majority leader Harry Reid (D-NV) has been the poisoner of any immigration enforcement, with Pelosi and a large grab bag of Dem-Liberals following the pack. Beginning now is the--BEGINNING OF THE GREAT PURGE--in California the--SANCTUARY STATE-- that has defied1986 federal immigration laws in both Los Angeles, San Francisco and other different refuge states, counties and cities. Incumbents are now on the run finally as taxpayers can distinguish who is supporting the settlement of illegal aliens and lawmakers who are fighting for the rights of--ALL--Americans. Not necessarily because of the health care law already passed, but because illegal immigration is the forerunner and highly volatile owing to the those rooted here are not an asset.It is however a hundred billion dollar Ponzi welfare scheme on all IRS payees. PRESIDENT OBAMA HEALTH CARE WOULD COST LESS, THAN WHAT WE PAY OUT TO SUPPORT FOREIGN LABORERS AND FAMILIES ANNUALLY.
Incumbents are no longer running on solid ground, as the omens testify . Blanche Lincoln has a grade of (D-) at NumbersUSA website. Mostly generated by Liberal extremists our country is under attack, by millions of foreign nationals who are stealing jobs and bleeding the welfare system in most areas of the country. Steve Poizner has promised to accelerate the removal of illegal aliens from California and return benefits to the legitimate people of the state.Whitman justifies giving illegal aliens--AMNESTY--which will further bankrupt the State? Finally, the state of Arizona realized by being a border state was being literary drained of hard come money from taxpayers. Seeing the insanity of open border lobbyists, corporate welfare and lawmakers genuflecting to ethnocentrisms organizations, who seem to have immense power. Among the politicians we placed in power, they have now proved they are anti-sovereignty and need to be succeeded by new US political soldiers who will fight for the American people. ALL PRO-AMNESTY, ANTI-SOVEREIGNTY LAWMAKERS MUST BE DUMPED?
None of the reactive attitude is about racial profiling, but about the bottom line of removing the illegal immigrant families who taxpayers are forced to support. If Americans-legal residents don't fight back, we will be looking at massive overpopulation driven by "Chain Migration" In addition once President Obama's is ready to force throgh another Amnesty, millions more desperate illegal aliens, will be ready to reach our soil. WE NEED THE PRESIDENT TO DEPLOY THE MILITARY TO HALT THIS ILLEGAL ALIEN OCCUPATION PLACING THEM AT THE BORDER. NOT 1200 BUT 6000 AT LEAST? WE PUT MORE TROOPS IN FOREIGN COUNTRIES, THAN AROUND OUR BORDER TO PROTECT AMERICANS? Obama should enforce the 1986 Simpson/ Mazzoli bill, that will stop violations of our laws. NumbersUSA has over a million members who are anti-Amnesty and slowing population growth, they also perceive that illegal immigration is draining our economy of welfare entitlements for Americans and residents. NUMBERSUSA has immigration records of Anti-American legislators to eject.
WATCH FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS VOTING?
The fact that someone has
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 19:11 — Anonymous (not verified)The fact that someone has children should expedite rather than delay proceedings with the children going back with their parents. If the children's dual status enables the parent to send them to live in the U.S. legally with someone else, that's their decision. But they have no right asserting that the American government, in that case, is splitting up their family. They are the ones who have decided to that, since their offspring is/are also Mexican citizens.
I just read all the comments
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 19:43 — fried (not verified)I just read all the comments above. What a bunch of suckers. Since the Regan tax cuts and deregulation, then continued and enhanced by Bush 2 we have had the greatest redistribution of wealth out of the hands of the middle and lower classes into the hands of the passive income elite in the history of nations and you people are quibbling over a few folks trying to make a living. The immigration issue is simple. Raise the fines and
put some of the companies who do the hiring out of business and illegal immigration will end over night. Give a employer a definitive way to confirm citizenship and lets move on tho the next issue. BTW good article, well DOCUMENTED. Now check your back pocket, it just got picked by the same people who suckered you into arguing over this.
Nothing like illegal
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 20:22 — theprogressiveanalyst (not verified)Nothing like illegal immigration to bring out a bunch of crap comments. Thanks to "fried" for some intelligent insight. Of those commenting, how many of you actually know or have known any illegal immigrants? I have known and worked with a number in my life, especially the last dozen years or so and most people here just don't know what they are talking about. I don't pretend to have the answer, but I think the bill proposed by Bush (the one thing he got right) is as good as anything. Yes, many do have ITIN's (I know someone who has paid income taxes for 8 years) and they do pay taxes and the vast majority do not use social services because they are afraid of being found out and deported. And most are hard working and responsible. I see very little rational thinking or real analysis about this problem and that is a shame. Too much commentary is scapegoating because of the bad economy. My guess is that outsourcing jobs to third world countries at $1 an hour or less takes more jobs than illegal immigrants getting $7 an hour here.
What truthout doesn't report
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:18 — Anonymous (not verified)What truthout doesn't report is that the people who "migrate" from just the south of the border are NOT among the most desparate and poor, for the most part. Studies have shown that these individuals are doing a bit better than many of their peers. Plus, they pay lots of money to smugglers, they have more cash -- for being in the U.S. -- than many Americans have, and coming out of a country where it costs less to live. Mexico, birthrate wise, is on par with the U.S. Public education, is doing well, on a U.N. scale. And hey, they rank 61st with the W.H.O., another example of how well capitalism is working (after all, ours is the BEST, at 37th, as any conservative will tell you), and as Arizonians head south over the border for their dental work. What the Democrats and Republicans want more of as we are covered less thanks to their failure, too, to provide a Medicare like program for all Mexicans.
Isn't it interesting that
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:21 — Anonymous (not verified)Isn't it interesting that "truthout" has Robert Reich regularly pouring his garbage out here? See his column on "why" there's a double dip recession and what we need to do about it. Speaks volumes for who's behind this website. As they gear up for the elections and what they haven't done at all for the American people. What chutzpah. Trying to legalize all these people when so many Americans are out of work. And after they couldn't even pass a decent health bill, and they're pouring over a trillion into these military catastrophes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
"My guess is that
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:28 — Anonymous (not verified)"My guess is that outsourcing jobs to third world countries at $1 an hour or less takes more jobs than illegal immigrants getting $7 an hour here."
Well, let's see. There are 12-20 million working illegally here in what should be Americans' jobs. If outsourcing takes MORE, then that's at least another 12-20 million. You do the rest of the math.
I don't think that's "scapegoating."
We Lose $8,000 per illegal
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:36 — Beli Mawr (not verified)We Lose $8,000 per illegal alien, they are not immigrants.
Funny how Truthout complains about how conservatives use anecdotal one-case basis to prove their points, then they do the same type of lying here. We lose per each. The majority of illegals-not 12 million, with 2k per day coming over the border in AZ alone-but 30 million do not pay taxes, roughly 80%. If they were deported, as in AZ, that would force up wages for everyone else, and disallow the payouts the illegal aliens get, meaning the system would pay for itself.
Many of these comments
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 21:54 — riversideliberal (not verified)Many of these comments indicate that they did not read the article before posting.
Welfare and other benefits are hard enough for documented workers to get these days, while undocumented workers are ineligible. They are paying into a system that provides them nothing but k-12 education and emergency rooms.
Their labor keeps your costs down at the supermarket, clothing store, and restaurant. Their labor lets the middle class enjoy a two-income lifestyle while a cheap nanny raises the kids. Their labor, poorly paid and unsafe in America's sweatshops and slaughterhouses, boosts the profits of American companies that often don't pay taxes in America because they are incorporated overseas.
Most of the anti-immigrant sentiment that rises during a recession is the product of misinformation, racism, and a corporate desire to keep those wages down.
Here's how I think this
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 22:14 — whaler (not verified)Here's how I think this should be reworded - NOT illegal "immigration" -- illegal LABOR. Illegal workers.
Got it YET, "truthout" by Robert Reich and the Reagan/Bush-Clinton/Bush/Ted-Obama Legacy ??
There are holocaust deniers,
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 22:30 — prellmechanik (not verified)There are holocaust deniers, evolution deniers, global warming deniers, and rounding out the field right here we have a few (thankfully, only a few) immigration deniers. According to one:
"Since the Regan tax cuts and deregulation, then continued and enhanced by Bush 2 we have had the greatest redistribution of wealth out of the hands of the middle and lower classes into the hands of the passive income elite in the history of nations and you people are quibbling over a few folks trying to make a living."
While there is more than a little truth to the first point, it has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the subject at hand, which is do illegal immigrants pay enough taxes to cover the cost of services they use. The answer is, of course they don't. But what's truly disturbing in the denialists' mindset is the tendency to minimize the problem as "a few folks trying to make a living." Hopefully, through laws like Arizona's, we'll be able to reduce the illegal population to just that.
If you're attacking illegal
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 23:07 — Anonymous (not verified)If you're attacking illegal workers who pay taxes relative to the income they're earning - as not paying enough - then your premise (@03:30) does not hold up in the sense that you would also be asserting that any American worker earning that amount and paying that amount in taxes isn't paying their fair share, either.
However, if you're asserting that illegal workers do not pay taxes on their income, and therefore, do not pay their fair share, you would be correct, IMV.
On that same point, however, let's say that most of the wealthiest portion of the American public, and the corporations and CEOs do not pay their fair share, and in their cases, I think the point is far more important.
I agree prellmechanik, the
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 23:22 — Anonymous (not verified)I agree prellmechanik, the idea that Mexican freeloaders will be demanding more social spending is hardly believable. Americans have worked hard, and our country is a shining example of a strong work ethic. Instead, you have the typical bleeding heart "establishment"media trying to lead us to the conclusion that illegal people pay more taxes! The liberal mindset is dangerous, I, as an American cannot tolerate a submissive attitude towards the obvious threat of Mexican hoardes who will steal our way of life, our freedom and our love of liberty and they will raise our own taxes to pay for their Socialism! Let's purify our racial heritage!
SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT TAX.
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 23:28 — paul fako (not verified)SOCIAL SECURITY IS NOT TAX. IT IS A PAYMENT ON N INSURANCE POLICY HELD BY THE GOVERNMENT. STOP CALLING IT A TAX.
prf
fried - EXACTLY! Couldn't
Sun, 06/06/2010 - 23:47 — Anonymous (not verified)fried - EXACTLY! Couldn't have said it better...
...and to the dumbass who thinks that citizenship should be revoked, to native-born, well, obviously, you're not a Tea Partyer, because their rally cry is the US Constitution. 13, 14, & 15 are the the Reconstruction amendments - 13 freed; 14 gave citizenship; 15 gave right to vote. If you want to take away native-born citizenship, you're going to take away about 99.9% of the citizenship of the people of the USA since that amendment went into practice in the 1870s, you'll have to retroactive anyone who does not have native-born blood beforehand...
I'm an old lady with white
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 00:45 — Anonymous (not verified)I'm an old lady with white skin and blue eyes. I have six grandchildren two of whom have brown eyes and brown skin. They could easily pass for Mexican. What "race" are we? Is Mexican a "race"?
This is just nuts.
Blaming the victim.
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 01:18 — Anonymous (not verified)Blaming the victim.
Immigrants, legal or otherwise, are not driving down wages. Employers who hire them and pay cash off the books are the real culprits.
I know of more than one business where everyone is getting paid cash at less than union wages and as far as I know, they are all US born citizens.
I agree with the author that NAFTA has created a lot of the problem. Not only because NAFTA policies create unfair competition in places like Latin America that drive farm workers from rural areas into city slums and finally to seek better wages in the U.S., but also, NAFTA encourages the outsourcing of human labor to countries with the most competitive prices of production. Many businesses are therefore forced or tempted to engage in unethical labor and safety practices in order to cut costs.
Comprehensive immigration reform combined with a strategy of rolling back NAFTA policies in order to begin dismantling systemic problems of labor and safety regulations is desperately needed if the US is to survive and compete with emerging powers.
02:54 I think you have it in
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:19 — Anonymous (not verified)02:54 I think you have it in reverse. The ones supporting illegal labor are the liberals who've been supporting it for exactly the reasons you summarize. As for "cheap" labor -- like that nanny your friends hired -- and want legalized because they didn't want to sponsor her themselves -- in my day, they hired teenagers -- or the elderly woman down the street trying to survive on social security. But your friends don't want that -- because they need their docile slave from Mexico at 4. hour who they are too selfish and racist to sponsor themselves. Instead they want all of the out-of-work Americans to sponsor them and their laissez-faire ways with their unemployment. Granted, I will give you this. Liberals are completely in bed with the REpublicans in Arizona who have been doing exactly the same thing for years. BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THAT BULLSHIT FROM EITHER OF YOUR GROUPS!! I clean my own bathrooms, lady!
If you support illegal
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:20 — Anonymous (not verified)If you support illegal immigration you are saying let the market rule.
The nation as an entity has its negatives. But if it is democratic, its citizens can have some kind of chance to have a say in what happens. The citizens decide.
Corporation do not need to be democratic in any way. If their decisions create economic pressures, they may push labor to migrate. The market decides.
Again, given their flaws I prefer the powers of democratic nations, where there can be come check on their power, to the unchecked power of the market that feeds on poverty and creates poverty on both sides of the border.
Interesting that this "human
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:24 — Anonymous (not verified)Interesting that this "human interest" propaganda is such an accurate and thorough piece of documentation that the journalist doesn't even tell us what the person's job is at the plumbing parts company.
I wonder how many technical
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:26 — Anonymous (not verified)I wonder how many technical school students aren't getting their first break at this "plumbing parts company?"
Like healthcare being
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:32 — whaler (not verified)Like healthcare being universal, every other westernized nation on earth knows that labor from out of the country has to be HEAVILY REGULATED. Not to mention the national security the Republican and Democratic have been handing over to their corporate sponsors.
When you have millions of
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:41 — Anonymous (not verified)When you have millions of people illegally crossing a border and illegally GETTING jobs, while Americans are NOT getting jobs, you have a BIG PROBLEM in that society.
Hope that makes some sense to those who have never pounded a pavement. Or watched anyone they could have cared about doing that.
If you're so into legalizing
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:44 — Anonymous (not verified)If you're so into legalizing illegal immigration, go sponsor some people for their Green Cards, Humanitarians.
Why doesn't the employee's
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 09:48 — Anonymous (not verified)Why doesn't the employee's employer sponsor her for a Green Card? The noble plumbing parts company! And how much did she pay the smuggler in one of Mexico's hottest new jobs?
Agree with poster who
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 10:10 — Anonymous (not verified)Agree with poster who sensibly suggests they triple or quadruple the number of troops at the border and we will see all this nonsense cease. Bring them home from Iraq and Aghanistan and station them at our borders.
Also just start arresting and heavily fining some big-time employers. Publicly perp walk in chains and pink undies. Watch how quickly things shape up, and while we save the taxpayer money.
And send any religious groups here, over there, to help people find jobs in Mexico, and fight with the Mexican government about what THEY'RE NOT DOING, FOR A CHANGE. If they're legally allowed in Mexico, I'm sure the Roman Catholic Church can FIND A WAY JESUS.
Illegal is just that,
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 11:15 — Anonymous (not verified)Illegal is just that, “ILLEGAL”. If I was to steal, defraud, dump toxic waste on my property or any other crime and got away with it I would still be a criminal. Having a job and paying taxes doesn’t cancel out my crime, I’m still a criminal. If you don’t like your country and want to move to another simply go through the legal procedure set forth by the country you seek to move to. OR, try this on for size, work to change the country you wish to escape. Find other like-minded people and unite, work towards a country that group envisions as their ideal country. For example, A small group of like-minded patriots joined together and prevailed over a very oppressive, very rich government to form what we now call the United State, a nation of LAWS.
From
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 11:21 — Anonymous (not verified)From FactCheck.org-
FactCheck.org responds: Undocumented immigrants can obtain individual taxpayer identification numbers, which are issued without regard to immigration status and can function in lieu of a Social Security number. Many immigrants do pay payroll taxes using ITINs or expired Social Security numbers, and of course they also pay other taxes such as sales and property taxes. According to the nonpartisan Urban Institute: "the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/09/factcheck-mailbag-week-of-aug-25-aug-31/
Factcheck.org has never
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 15:40 — Carl (not verified)Factcheck.org has never tried to get an ITIN. The feds say you can get one in lieu of a SSN, but then the requirements are the same. You must be a citizen or have a legal visa. I tried to get one for my daughter in Asia for tax reasons until I could get her visa then SSN, but no go. So illegals are not getting ITINs since 2002.
There are outfits that sell fake ITINs and tell them they are legal. Another issue is that the same corrupt employers who hire illegals deduct SSN (FICA) and even Income tax from their paychecks, but since they know they are illegals they just keep that money and never forward it to the Feds.
She should pay more tax like
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 15:59 — Anonymous (not verified)She should pay more tax like everyone else - moaning criminal fool
The Boston Globe published a
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 18:00 — Anonymous (not verified)The Boston Globe published a front page piece on this issue 3 years ago. Its conclusion: 1/3 of illegal immigrants pay taxes (and not necessarily all of the taxes that they should pay); 1/3 do not; and 1/3 are dependents who are not working. But almost 100% of illegal immigrants are consuming services of some kind or another (particularly medical and educational), and also getting freebies like food stamps. And there are hundreds of thousands of illegals in the criminal justice system, at a cost of about $4oK/head/year.
The author's claim that "many" illegal immigrants pay taxes is meaningless. The real questions are: What is the cost of illegal immigration in terms of depressed wages for US citizens? (Answer: It is huge.) What is the cost to US citizens of all the various services consumed by illegals? (Answer: it vastly outweighs the tax contributions) What are the long-term economic implications for Social Security, Medicare, etc. of giving a "path to citizenship" (= amnesty) to the current 15-20 million illegal aliens in the US? (Answer: Dire)
If the author and other open borders advocates want to play Mother Teresa, please go do it in Mexico and similar countries. Don't shove it down the throats of US taxpayers, when every single time there has been a vote about this it has been to restrict benefits to illegals and enforce the immigrations laws. US citizens have looked at this, and they know what the long-term consequences of illegal immigration and more amnesties are for them: Disastrous.
In the 1800s there was a
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 19:40 — Anonymous (not verified)In the 1800s there was a wave of German immigrants, who were described as dirty, stupid, unwilling to work and here to destroy our country. Next came a wave of Irish immigrants, who were described as dirty, stupid, lazy, unwilling to work and here to destroy our country. Then came a wave if Italian immigrants, wh0 were described as dirty, stupid, lazy, unwilling to work and here to destroy our country. Now we have Mexicans, who are described...fill in the blanks. (Strangely, Jewish immigrants had all of the above faults except that they were shrewd and dishonest.) Have I mad my point?
What blows me away is the
Mon, 06/07/2010 - 19:59 — Guillermo (not verified)What blows me away is the rush to look at those below to blame rather than to look at those above. Sure, the illegal immigration issue needs to be looked at and resolved but to aim the anger at these people is idiotic.
Do you realize that our economy is in the shape that it is in, not because of illegal immigrants but because of the employers. The large multinationals, the mid-size and even many of the small businesses are focusing on the bottom line. Some look at executive compensation and shareholder dividends, some look at competing with other businesses and just trying to stay afloat and some are just looking at buying that new boat. The loss of manufacturing jobs to China with the replacement of fewer and lower paying warehousing and distribution jobs; the shipping out of customer service type jobs to India and the employing of cheap labor to try to compete with companies manufacturing in China is a large reason for our current predicament. Who is this "cheap labor"? Why the undocumented worker of course.
Your issue should be with those that employ these illegal workers but how else are they to compete with Chinese cheap labor. Maybe then your beef should be with all these companies that ship overseas but then you wouldn't be able to pay those "low low prices" at Walmart and others like them. Well then maybe we should be looking at those that had the shortsightedness to be ecstatically buying those cheap products at Walmart, making the Waltons filthy rich but in the process helping our society shoot for the bottom. Save now, suffer later...ooops that is suffer now isn't it?
You can also look at all the deregulation that allowed for a more Laisez-faire capitalism which naively believes that Capitalism unfettered by regulation is the way to go. Look at the Enrons, Worldcoms and the Wall Street financial institutions and the way they brought the global financial system down to its collective knees with all of their chicanery. Derivitives! Outright gambling with our National economy with repercussions felt around the world. And yet the upper management continue to reward themselves obscene salaries, hiding their true earnings from taxes by using the stock option crap. They are the new "Royalty" of this country with a mindset that equals that of Marie Antoinette with their notion of entitlement.
Hell there are many other reasons for our predicament and the illegal immigrant issue is a minuscule component. It basically comes down to going after those that are the easiest target. The big companies and the rich are seemingly too powerful and many just feel impotent against them. It's time people faced that our country is being controlled by the rich and powerful and that until we grow a collective set of "Cojones" and realize that that is where our anger and our efforts at reform should be, we will be at their mercy. We are drifting from a Democratic Republic to a system where there is a Royalty of the rich and powerful and most of us are serfs attacking each other and those below us.
STOP THE RACE TO THE BOTTOM!
The corporations want
Tue, 06/08/2010 - 00:15 — Anonymous (not verified)The corporations want "immigration reform" to go through because it means they, themselves, can get amnesty. And, because they want to continue doing what they're doing.
People are saying NO.
I wouldn't be surprised if many of these corporations had their people online talking about racism, human rights, and opening the borders.
Just like they had them online with their talking points in the bullshit health care bill they gave THEM, not us.
There's probably a lot of
Tue, 06/08/2010 - 00:29 — Anonymous (not verified)There's probably a lot of companies that can be criminally prosecuted for the amount of corruption they're involved in with hiring illegal labor.
Not too long ago, for example, besides the meat-packing places -- one of which was Smithfield -- McDonalds was found to be hiring people and finding fake social security numbers for them.
Any kind of immigration bill will be designed to put in the small print -- as something we don't hear about in the news -- their amnesty -- which is the bigger reason.
Also, their natives are getting restless, so they want to move this batch through, so they can get the next shipment coming in.
NAFTA is an illegal trade/labor agreement. It was designed to do exactly what it's been doing. By Democrats and Republicans alike.
If they want to do something, they must close the border with many more troops -- since it's gotten so out of hand -- and throw out this agreement.
Why don't you hear Calderon calling for that? Could it be that they like NAFTA in the halls of Mexico's goovernment buildings? Because it makes their jobs so much easier. They don't have to do them.
What the left doesn't
Tue, 06/08/2010 - 00:36 — Anonymous (not verified)What the left doesn't understand is that this issue is actually leverage the American people have.
We don't have leverage much.
In this, we do.
So people should start thinking very seriously what they would demand their government produce on behalf the People BEFORE the corporations get their amnesty.
I'll tell you what I want
Tue, 06/08/2010 - 08:23 — Anonymous (not verified)I'll tell you what I want before they give the stinking corporations their amnesty. Because those corporations sure DO want this bill going through.
Tell them to open up Medicare to all Americans.
NOW.
Not a "well researched" ????
Tue, 06/08/2010 - 18:46 — Anonymous (not verified)Not a "well researched" ???? PLEASE! Has anyone thought to question HOW it is that Rita is able to get a refund? and the statement re: her 2nd grade "citizen" son"?... SO sorry, SO not the case!!! : When illegal alien children are born to a parent who is under the jurisdiction of another nation while illegally in the United States of America, he or she is under the jurisdiction of the nation of origin of their mother. That child is NOT a citizen of the USA.
Way too much drivel. Close the border, send them ALL home, then, let's deal with the corp.'s that hired them.
There are so many
Wed, 06/09/2010 - 15:29 — Anonymous (not verified)There are so many uneducated, bigoted, narrow-minded individuals posting on this site. First, please actually read the article. Second, there are so many inaccuracies posted by said individuals, that there is no way to point them all out. But, since the last one, as of the time of this posting, must be corrected. You are wrong to say "When illegal alien children are born to a parent who is under the jurisdiction of another nation while illegally in the [US], he/she is under the jurisdiction of the nation of origin of their mother." Where do you get this drivel? Please refer to Amendment XIV (that means "14") of the US Constitution: to wit: All persons BORN or naturalized IN the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States...." (emphasis added). Further, "under the jurisdiction thereof" means they are PRESENT IN THE US. Peace.
Thank you so much for this
Thu, 06/10/2010 - 07:56 — James Collins (not verified)Thank you so much for this excellent article! This lie about the status of undocumented aliens is so very polarizing and vicious! Some very malicious people are planting lies in the minds of people and using scare tactics to make it grow. This article is a great set of facts for people of good will to use for setting the record straight. There some excellent comments from readers as well.
Illegal aliens having
Mon, 06/14/2010 - 22:16 — Doug (not verified)Illegal aliens having children are US Citizens but it wasn't designed this way.
The Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution was passed in 1866.
The amendment was designed to grant citizenship to and protect the civil liberties of recently freed slaves.
It did this by prohibiting states from denying or abridging the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States, depriving any person of his life, liberty, or property without due process of law, or denying to any person within their jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
So tell me how illegal aliens can be classified as "recently free slaves?" Yes, the Supreme Court has held that it applies to "all persons born or naturalized in the United States." But when is enough, enough.
Tell me how many other countries allow the children of illegals to be citizens of their country just because they were born their? None. At least one parent and sometimes both must be a citizen of the country.
Rita I truly hope you and your children have a long life, back in "your" country.
Call me selfish, I really don't give a darn. You bring up your kids to respect the laws and when my 29 year old son asked me "what was it all for if we have these people in our country illegally?" I tell him we do what's right and expect others to do the same.
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Fri, 07/16/2010 - 21:20 — Anonymous (not verified)Hello, I live in a area that has a large number of illigals and I know that most of them are here just to work and have a better life. I also know on the other hand a lot of them personally that will buy a SS# from someone for like 300 $ and take over that number and work and even apply for credit. Some of them max out the credit under the SS# and return to their own countries,but some stay here and just live their life under someone elses identiy. How come thousands of them can basically get away with identity fraud? I also see a lot of men that work and have illegal wives that do not work and they usually have aleast three kids each at labor and delivery where someone I know works and has been working there for almost twenty years. She told me that now in labor and delivery that ninty percent are illegals.
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