Problem Solving Maniacs: Just BRING US_SHIT & POO to the CONCERT. Problem solved..ALL HOLLY_SHITS will disperse.

I saw this crap coming way back in '74 just before I retired out of the military. At the time the Xtians were loading the military with their "Army of God" personnel and I was told that my kind were going to be extinct as far as the "new" military went. I was seeing at the time hundreds of new officers and enlisted who did NOT believe in the separation of Church and State and felt that everyone in the military had to either convert to their style of religion or be forced out.

Today I am no longer living in the United States, have become a French National and other than the fact that I served honorably and faithfully for 20 years defending the Right of Free Speach and the Constitution of the United States, I have pretty much given up all hope on the country of my birth. I will probably never return, and really don't miss any of what you have become. I now live as a minority in a nation of people with brown skin and a totally different culture. They treat me as an equal and as a citizen. Something that I do not see in the "NEW" United States today.

Good for Pfc. Smith! I hope he gets that whacko General James E. Chambers kicked out of the Army. Chambers obviously is too dumb or too anti-American constitution to serve the country well.

While we're on the subject, I often wondered if Cpl. Pat Tillman was deliberately "fragged" by his own "friendly fire" because he was an atheist. I wouldn't put it past some of these fundamentalist religious bible-thumpers running amok in the military to do so.

This country was founded on this thing called CHRISTIANITY. Go to another country if ur bothered by what Uncle Sam expects from you. Ther is only one rule in the service, Do as you are told. What are you going to do in battle. "Sorry sarg, he's got blue eyes, I can't shoot him!" Man Up, Son get your ball back in ur pants and learn what you proble needed before you joined. GOD!

Read the Constitution, Anonymous. It is not just for waving. This country was NOT founded on Christianity. It was founded on religious liberty for all.

The Founders remembered all to well the stupid religious wars of Europe and had no intention for repeating them here.

oh dear, it's so funny when Christians claim this country was founded as a Christian state - the founding fathers were the progressive liberals of their day - freethinkers, humanists, definitely not anything like the Christian extremists that try to claim them.

The original colonies were formed by people fleeing from the oppression of living under state-determined religion. These conservative christians you see nowadays embody everything that the revolutionaries were fighting AGAINST - they are the epitome of all that is anti-American, and THAT is why America is failing!

If they were really Christians they would not coerce others, but the extreme evangelicals (who certainly seem to hate or want to convert Muslims) are behaving against US law. i heard that Pat Tillman was derided as "worm dirt" after his death because he was not a christian. Brotherly love in the US forces!

“The day will come when the mystical generation of Jesus by the Supreme Being as his father in the womb of a virgin, will be classed with the fable of Minerva in the brain of Jupiter.”—Thomas Jefferson

“Man once surrendering his reason has no remaining guard against absurdities…. Gullibility, which they call faith, takes the helm from the hand of reason and the mind becomes a wreck.”—Thomas Jefferson

“But a short time elapsed after the death of the great reformer of the Jewish religion before his principles were departed from by those who professed to be his special servants and perverted it into an engine enslaving mankind and aggrandizing their oppressors in Church and State.”—Thomas Jefferson

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Oy vey.

Religion is the root of all evil.

Christians are probably the rarest of all religious practitioners. Most folks who call themselves that are really Jews who hate Jews; old Testament believers who are no more able to follow Jesus' suggestions than they are able to read the Constitution.

Babble like "Son get your ball back in ur pants and learn what you proble needed before you joined," is exactly the kind of idiot drivel these folks jabber to themselves to stay in line. There is nothing about superstition that is conducive to sustaining democracy. A key reason the founders were afraid of religion is that it is closely related to ignorance.

The sooner we realize actual separation of church & state, the sooner we can get to the important business of running the country. All religion is delusional, and it clouds the real issues. Like the "Ground-Zero" muslim community center!

The 21:54 comment should be removed by T.O. God knows, I've written publishable comments that were denied print on this website. Please remove this comment immediately.

What the military needs to do is go back to "Old School" and take some of the comforts away from the basic and ait soldiers and let them see what it is really about. The government pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to train soldiers to go to war and follow the orders of the officers appointed over them. This Guardsman is what I consider as a part time soldier, someone who can't cut it in the real military, so therefore is trying to make a name for himself by fabricating a story to make him look good. If he want, he can take his balls out of his pocket and put them on like a man. As a new soldier in training you are required to march to everything as a group. Just because this one person did not get his way and could not stand out in his class, he is wanting his "5 minutes" of fame. People like this make me sick. These are the ones that are suppose to be defending this country, please. Grow up. There was no forcing of anyone to do anything. PVT Smith needs to get a clue and realize that he signed a contract to defend this country against all enemies.... foreign and domestic!!!! Not create more with his bogus story. He was not forced to march head on into battle but he has definitely chose to battle our countrymen. If he really filed a complaint then the installation would have known about it. Also why did it take three months for him to "stand up" and present something that bothered him way back then. I am truly proud to be an American and love this country. It seems to me that this issue could have been addressed at his base level. I do not recall him saying what outcome came of his complaint other than falling on deaf ears. If you know anything about EO/EEO you know that if you file a complaint then there WILL be outcome to it if it is substantiated.

Well, "What the military needs...," is fewer people like you. EOT people work for the installation commander and some may well do only his bidding. Others may do what's right.

But as director of Social Actions and Equal Opportunity and Treatment on a large Air Force Base in the mid 1970s, I was personally pressured by the deputy wing commander to order my people to attend the "President's National Prayer Breakfast." I refused to do so. None attended, and I did not do so myself. Two years later this colonel become my direct boss and handily nixed further promotion opportunities for me.

The colonel was later promoted to BG, but scuttlebutt is that he subsequently was forced to resign following discovery that he was diddling a subordinate's wife....

To Anonymous at 01:33 - my 'part-time soldier' fought bravely in Iraq, volunteered as a medic on his off-time, and was horrifically wounded in the service of his country.

I resent your self-aggrandizing remarks.

I will bet " anonymous has never spent a day of his life in uniform. Much like the other Yellow Elephants

To the moronic "shut up and follow orders" crowd, soldiers are legally, morally, and spiritually
bound to not obey any order that is illegal. Forcing soldiers to attend religious events for the purpose of
conversion is completely against the constitutional freedom of religion and separation of
church and state.

Just as Nazi prison guards were convicted despite
following orders, all US soldiers must know that
orders which are not lawful are not to be obeyed.

When fascism comes to American, it will be wrapped in a cross and waving a flag. (Sinclair Lewis)

* Here's how I feel about gays in the military: Anyone … dumb enough … to want to be in the military … should be allowed in.
o Bill Hicks

* Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy.
o Henry Kissinger

I cant believe people join the military, and then are surprised by the brainwashing, lack of democracy, etc.

People have been watching too many Hollywood movies.

Reality awaits anyone who'd like to return.

Oh wow, OK this makes a lot of sense dude.

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in 69 in basic , those who wanted to go to church on free time on sunday got to go . The rest of us stayed back and had to strip and wax the floors in the barracks . same old shit .

why do you repeat the same paragraph twice and the same quote three times? great subject, but annoying read.

Wild! Nothing gets me quite like these reports of spiritual abuse which come in all forms. This incident is more evident but the authoritative abuse can take on more subtle forms resulting in quiet fear and submission.

ummm to those who say this country was founded as a christian country please read the TREATY OF TRIPOLY article 11 this was created by our first presidents white house and signed by the second president and recived a100% yea vote in congress.

Art. 11. As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries.

we were on lockdown... we couldnt use personal electronics or anything........ damn wussies...

i want a whiny wuss complaining next to me in combat

old old school allowed physical contact......
im the farthest thing from relious... and i wouldnt have gone into that assembly either.... but i wouldnt complain about being in "lockdown"........ every moment of basic training is supposed to be in lockdown

Excellent, the last thing the world needs is more armed religious nuts with weapons. Yes, I can see how such delusions would be comforting while deal with the horrors of war, but the military has no business forcing it's people to drink the Kool-Aid.

Kudos for standing up for logic and reality Pvt. Smith.

Did you need to pad the report out a bit or something?

The following was written twice.....

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"Barlow Girl band member Lauren Barlow said if she and the other members of the group knew soldiers were being forced to attend the concert and were then punished for refusing to attend "we would have said something."

"That's horrible," Barlow tweeted in response to the revelations first published Thursday by MRFF's head researcher, Chris Rodda. "We never knew that. We thought they had a choice. If we would have known we would have said something.""
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I cannot believe that US soldiers are upset about discipline in the military, this whole story is just make believe by someone who does not understand the military.
Buck up you maggots!

They still sing "Onward Christian soldiers, marching as to war" in church. Christians need to get with it.

Joining the service is one thing, being forced into a particular liturgical corner is something else entirely different.

Overtly religious military? - only in America!

...oh, and Iran.

Coincidence?

There's only one way to get rid of the right-wing filth.

Buy more guns and explosives than they do and be prepared to use them.

The best defense is a good offense.

Did any of you who are spouting off read the Army article, written well before this one, describing the General's intentions?

I thought not.

That would take too much effort. Everyone just wants to take jabs at each other.

Any religion"s mortar is faith. Facts are not relevant whenever faith is above independent thought... That is why governments and their military forces enjoy the mental conditioning that religions offer. FAITH IN THEIR BULL SHIT.

This would never have happened in the military years ago when I served back in 91-96. A few years after I got out, I heard about the "time-out" cards in basic training and almost laughed myself to death. So this soldier doing what he's doing doesn't surprise me. They are too pampered nowdays. I was asked to do things I didn't particularly care for, but I did them anyway because of my oath and the orders came from my higher ups. Technically there is no "free time" for a soldier.

Soldiers are supposed to follow orders unless illegal. Having a soldier attend a christian concert is not illegal. I'm agnostic, not christian, but it wouldn't bother me to attend if that's what my commander asked and it was understood that it was more of an informal order. Of course, if it was a muslim event that wouldn't sit well with me, but I'd still do it.

Being in the military is NOT a job, it's a commitment based on chain of command. Unfortunately, from what I've heard, it's becoming just a "job" to people. I understand that the different branches offer different degrees of "militarism" depending on what people are looking for when they join, but no matter WHAT their reasons are for joining, when it comes down to it, you simply do NOT refuse it it, you just DO it and gripe about it with your buddies later.

This soldier makes me sad when I think that he thinks he's entitled to complain about something so simple.

Anyway....he just painted a bulls eye on his back...justifiably so.

"Smith and the other trainees"

ha.. what a retard!

Speaking from personal experience, Basic is not supposed to be some nice experience w/ green fields and unicorns and other mommy hold my hand stuff. its supposed to suck.

In basic you can go to church if you want and they offer all sorts of services.

If you dont go .. guess what.. your going to be on lockdown as you are ***100%*** of the time during basic and your going to be cleaning stuff (room, weapons etc etc)

NEWS FLASH BASIC IS 100% LOCKDOWN.

Don't know what it's like now, but in Vietnam-era basic at Ft. Bragg we were confined to the company area for the first five weeks, with church attendance the exception. (Is that what you mean by "24/7 lockdown"?)

Once the barracks was cleaned to the drill sergeant's satisfaction, Sunday was stand-down time. Aside from my KP experience, I don't remember anyone getting extra duty for not going to church.

The issue here is not about pampering; it's about religious indoctrination--which is more in keeping with things like the Inquisition, communist "re-education" camps, and Taliban rule than it is with American traditions of liberty that give us not just freedom OF religion, but freedom FROM religion.

"The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods, or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."--Thomas Jefferson

"Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other sects?" -- James Madison

"One of the embarrassing problems for the early nineteenth-century champions of the Christian faith was that not one of the first six Presidents of the United States was an orthodox Christian."--The Encyclopedia Britannica

Okay the writing in this article is terrible. This person obviously needed to fill space so they decided to use the quote from BarlowGirl 4 TIMES!!!! The quote is "f we would have known we would have said something."

Other than that, good for Private Smith. It is people like him that will one day make our government and officials honest.

To T Day, who said, "Christians are probably the rarest of all religious practitioners. Most folks who call themselves that are really Jews who hate Jews; old Testament believers who are no more able to follow Jesus' suggestions than they are able to read the Constitution. "

You don't know squat about Judaism, so stuff it until you actually learn something. Jews are as varied in religious practice as are the denominations of Christians (Catholics, Baptists, Presbyterians, Russian Orthodox, for example). This Christian notion about how Jews are followers of some kind of eye-for-an-eye doctrine in the Old Testament, and Christians are followers of a turn-the-other-cheek doctrine is a bunch of B.S.

Over much of the last two millenia (until the founding of the State of Israel), the Jewish tradition in Christian nations has been mostly that of pacifism. Our experience at the hands of Christians has been similar to Jesus' experience at the hands of the Romans. If you want to call peaceful, saintly Christians the only real kind of Christians, go right ahead. But don't call the rest of them Jews. It is beyond offensive.

To: Sat, 08/21/2010 - 01:33 — Anonymous (not verified)

Depending on the year, between 28% and 50% of the forces serving in Iraq and Afghanistan, have been Reserve and National Guard. They do so with honor and distinction. They are in the same combat zones as the Active component Soldiers. Bullets, rockets, mortars, IEDs, PTSD, injury, death... they don't distinguish between Active duty and "part time ... who can't cut it in the real military" Soldiers. Remember that the next time you feel the need to denigrate the service and honor of those part-time Soldiers.

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To: Sat, 08/21/2010 - 20:21 — Military Spouse (not verified)

Whenever there is an invocation or prayer in a cermony, I simply don't bow my head and participate. I'm a CO - I've had only one person question me afterwards, and my response was: "I'm not religious, I don't believe in god, I'm not going to pray. You are free to pray if you choose, I will not." And that was that.

"Onward christian soldiers", and, "Kill them all, God knows His own!" were the catchcries of the fundies. These are the type of people who will kill you, no remorse or guilt shown. Truly, God help us.

To Anonymous at 01:33 and others from the "follow your orders!" crowd: your mindset would have made you model citizens in Nazi Germany!

i had a DI at Fort Ord back in 69 who punished those of us who didn't attend church services.
A few of us complained and we spent time in the stockade for refusing a direct order until JAG got involved, but the damage was already done.
the time spent in the stockade followed me for over 8 years when I was finally told I would never advance in rank above E-5 because of my "prison record".
Personally i believe Pvt. Smith shot himself in the foot and he will be the target to his superiors for the rest of his days in service.

American Democracy was murdered long ago and the final blow was in 2000 when Bush stole the election. Do you know he frequently called upon a christian minister for advice on Mid East policy? A minister, who by the way is doing everything he can to make sure that "armagedon" really happens so "jesus" can come back and reward him and his little army of Nazis by taking them to heaven. America is broken badly and should be broken up and segregated into reasonable people and the retards who can't seperate church and state

Does the Commanding General's Spiritual Fitness Concert by any chance originate from private funders such as the Koch brothers? Can the Commanding Generals be investigated for being proxy to private interest groups such as the one which created the Tea Party crowd? Watch out. A similar condition with a religious bent came to exist in the Wehrmacht after WW I. Over twenty years fascism emerged in Germany, then to complete its formation into the Third Reich. Reference cited: The Diaries of Count Harry Kessler