UN Fact-Finding Mission Says Israelis "Executed" US Citizen Furkan Dogan
Monday 27 September 2010
by: Gareth Porter, t r u t h o u t | Report
Furkan Dogan, a 19-year-old US citizen of Turkish descent, was aboard the Mavi Marmara when he was killed by Israeli commandos. (Photo: freegazaorg; Edited: Jared Rodriguez / t r u t h o u t)
The report of the fact-finding mission of the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) on the Israeli attack on the Gaza flotilla released last week shows conclusively, for the first time, that US citizen Furkan Dogan and five Turkish citizens were murdered execution-style by Israeli commandos.
The report reveals that Dogan, the 19-year-old US citizen of Turkish descent, was filming with a small video camera on the top deck of the Mavi Marmara when he was shot twice in the head, once in the back and in the left leg and foot and that he was shot in the face at point blank range while lying on the ground.
The report says Dogan had apparently been "lying on the deck in a conscious or semi-conscious, state for some time" before being shot in his face.
The forensic evidence that establishes that fact is "tattooing around the wound in his face," indicating that the shot was "delivered at point blank range." The report describes the forensic evidence as showing that "the trajectory of the wound, from bottom to top, together with a vital abrasion to the left shoulder that could be consistent with the bullet exit point, is compatible with the shot being received while he was lying on the ground on his back."
Based on both "forensic and firearm evidence," the fact-finding panel concluded that Dogan's killing and that of five Turkish citizens by the Israeli troops on the Mavi Marmari May 31 "can be characterized as extra-legal, arbitrary and summary executions." (See Report [.pdf] Page 38, Section 170)
The report confirmed what the Obama administration already knew from the autopsy report on Dogan, but the administration has remained silent about the killing of Dogan, which could be an extremely difficult political problem for the administration in its relations with Israel.
The Turkish government gave the autopsy report on Dogan to the US Embassy in July and it was then passed on to the Department of Justice, according to a US government source who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the administration's policy of silence on the matter. The source said the purpose of obtaining the report was to determine whether an investigation of the killing by the Justice Department (DOJ) was appropriate.
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Asked by this writer whether the DOJ had received the autopsy report on Dogan, DOJ spokesperson Laura Sweeney refused to comment.
The administration has not volunteered any comment on the fact-finding mission report and was not asked to do so by any news organization. In response to a query from Truthout, a State Department official, who could not speak on the record, read a statement that did not explicitly acknowledge the report's conclusion about the Israeli executions.
The statement said the fact-finding mission's report's "tone and conclusions are unbalanced." It went on to state, "We urge that this report not be used for actions that could disrupt direct negotiations between Israel and Palestine that are now underway or actions that would make it not possible for Israel and Turkey to move beyond the recent strains in their traditional strong relationship."
Although the report's revelations and conclusions about the killing of Dogan and the five other victims were widely reported in the Turkish media last week, not a single story on the report has appeared in US news media.
The administration has made it clear through its inaction and its explicit public posture that it has no intention of pressing the issue of the murder of a US citizen in cold blood by Israeli commandos.
On June 13, two weeks after the Mavi Marmara attack, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs issued a statement saying that Israel "should be allowed to undertake an investigation into events that involve its national security" and that Israel's military justice system "meets international standards and is capable of conducting a serious and credible investigation."
Another passenger whom forensic evidence shows was killed execution-style, according to the OHCHR report, is Ibrahim Bilgen, a 60-year-old Turkish citizen. Bilgen is believed by forensics experts to have been shot initially from the helicopter above the Mavi Marmara and then shot in the side of the head while lying seriously wounded.
The fact-finding mission was given forensic evidence that, after the initial shot in chest from above, Bilgen was shot in the head with a "soft baton round at such close proximity that an entire bean bag and its wadding penetrated the skull and lodged in the chest from above," the mission concluded.
"Soft baton rounds" are supposed to be fired for nonlethal purposes at a distance and aimed only at the stomach, but are lethal when fired at the head, especially from close range.
The forensic evidence cited by the fact-finding mission on the killing of Dogan and five other passengers came from both the autopsy reports and pathology reports done by forensic personnel in Turkey and from interviews with those who wrote the reports. Experts in forensic pathology and firearms assisted the mission in interpreting that forensic evidence.
The account, provided by the OHCHR of the events on board the Mavi Marmara on its way to help break the economic siege of Gaza May 31 of this year, refutes the version of events aggressively pushed by the Israeli military and supports the testimony of passengers on board.
The report suggests that, from the beginning, Israeli policy viewed the Gaza flotilla as an opportunity to use lethal force against pro-Hamas activists. It quotes testimony by Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak before the Israeli government's Turkel Committee that specific orders were given by the Israeli government "to continue intelligence tracking of the flotilla organizers with an emphasis on the possibility that amongst the passengers in the flotilla there were terror elements who would attempt to harm Israeli forces."
The idea that the passenger list would be seeded with terrorists determined to attack Israeli defense forces appears to have been a ploy to justify treating the operation as likely to require the use of military force against the passengers.
When details of the Israeli plan to forcibly take over the ships in the flotilla were published in the Israeli press on May 30, the passengers on board the Mavi Marmara realized that the Israelis might use deadly force against them. Some leaders of the IHH (the Foundation for Human Rights and Freedoms and Humanitarian Aid), which had purchased the ships for the mission, were advocating defending the boat against the Israeli boarding attempt, whereas other passengers advocated nonviolence only.
That led to efforts to create improvised weapons from railings and other equipment on the Mavi Marmara. However, the commission concluded that there was no evidence of any firearms having being taken aboard the ship, as charged by Israel.
The report notes that the Israeli military never communicated a request by radio to inspect the cargo on board any of the ships, apparently contradicting the official justification given by the Israeli government for the military attack on the Mavi Marmara and other ships of preventing any military contraband from reaching Gaza.
According to the OHCHR report, Israeli Chief of General Staff Gabi Ashkenazi testified to the Turkel Committee August 11 that the initial rules of engagement for the operation prohibited live fire except in life-threatening situations, but that that they were later modified to target protesters "deemed to be violent" in response to the resistance by passengers.
That decision apparently followed the passengers' successful repulsion of an Israeli effort to board the ship from Zodiac boats.
The report confirms that, from the beginning of the operation, passengers were fired on by helicopters flying above the Mavi Marmara to drop commandos on the deck.
Contrary to Israeli claims that one or more Israeli troops were wounded by firearms, the report says no medical evidence of a gunshot wound to an Israeli soldier was found.
The OHCHR report confirms accounts from passengers on the Mavi Marmara that defenders subdued roughly ten Israeli commandos, took their weapons from them and threw them in the sea, except for one weapon hidden as evidence. The Israeli soldiers were briefly sequestered below and some were treated for wounds before being released by the defenders.
The OHCHR fact-finding mission will certainly be the most objective, thorough and in-depth inquiry into the events on board the Mavi Marmara and other ships in the flotilla of the four that have been announced.
The fact-finding mission was chaired by Judge Karl T. Hudson-Phillips, Q.C., retired judge of the International Criminal Court and former attorney general of Trinidad and Tobago, and included Sir Desmond de Silva, Q.C. of the United Kingdom, former chief prosecutor of the United Nations-backed Special Court for Sierra Leone and Ms. Mary Shanthi Dairiam of Malaysia, founding member of the board of directors of the International Women's Rights Action Watch Asia Pacific.
The mission interviewed 112 eyewitnesses to the Israeli attack in London, Geneva, Istanbul and Amman, Jordan. The Israeli government refused to cooperate with the fact-finding mission by making personnel involved in both planning and carrying out the attack available to be interviewed.
The Turkish governments announced its own investigation of the Israeli attack on August 10. UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon announced the formation of a "Panel of Inquiry" on August 2, but its mandate was much more narrowly defined. It was given the mission to "receive and review the reports of the national investigations with the view to recommending ways of avoiding similar incidents in the future."
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Two Democrats in MD (who
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 10:36 — William The Pitts (not verified)Two Democrats in MD (who should lose their jobs, but there are no progressive replacements)
Senator Mikulski, and Senator Ben Cardin both have stated that "Israel can do whatever it wants to defend itself".
this made me so mad I
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 11:47 — jk (not verified)this made me so mad I emailed the commander in chief about how disappointed I am in letting the tail Isreal wag the dog US. We should be sending in humanitarian aid, not protecting their ability to build walls and act like nazionists. http://www.whitehouse.gov/CONTACT/
try it. you'll feel better.
That poor kid did not
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 12:34 — Russell (not verified)That poor kid did not realize he was on a ship full of Jihad thugs. Maybe he knew it after he set sail. . Amazing all the regimes that brutalize woman, and imperial governments in the eastern world, and all you at truth out can do is cry on me and the Israelis. Aint no use in crying for middle east justice. so cry on me. Pathetic. Anti Semitic rhetoric at its finest.
The "tone and conclusions
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:15 — Thebes (not verified)The "tone and conclusions are unbalanced"??
How is the fact that they SUMMARILY EXECUTED an injured American Citizen unbalanced?
Oh, yeah, the report didn't hype up how some of the poor goons squad's grandparents were subject to summary executions back before any of those involved in this raid were born. Antisemitism, that is!
Now watch for bought and paid for (and treasonous!) Congresscritters to wet themselves seeing how quickly they can jump to Israel's "defense".
While it's good to see this
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:18 — Erich Von Freemason (not verified)While it's good to see this story get covered, the editors need to be more diligent. The headline has the word, "executed," in quotes, which indicates that it is a quote from the UN report, but that word does not appear anywhere in the UN document.
http://www2.ohchr.org/english/bodies/hrcouncil/docs/15session/A.HRC.15.21_en.pdf
Oh pity poor Russell, the
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:27 — jpbreeze (not verified)Oh pity poor Russell, the victim of such blatant antisemitism! Pathetic is a word you used alright, just you don't understand what it means.
Maybe you can answer how many "regimes" are funded by right-wing American and Israeli Corporations? Maybe you can attest to Israel's treatment of Women, children, and men in Gaza and the true Palestinian territories?
Probably not! So there you have it, the definition of Pathetic! It is you and your kind!
While Eric makes a great
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:39 — jpbreeze (not verified)While Eric makes a great point to the editors, the report does describe what the Commando's did was actually killing.
Please read paragraph 265, page 54 under the Conclusions.
I do agree though, why put "executed" in quotes when it's not quoted from the report?
israel is a sick and a sad
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:47 — john visher (not verified)israel is a sick and a sad nation. so is the united states. the two nations are enabling each others self loathing brutality. a pathetic tragedy indeed! where are our indigenous poets to tell this tale of epic delusion?
peace.
Russell you're an asshole of
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:51 — Anonymous (not verified)Russell you're an asshole of the highest caliber. Criticizing a country doesn't make you a racist you ignorant ass. Your comments are ignorant and stupid at best. Kill yourself.
Go to hell russel you
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:58 — Anonymous (not verified)Go to hell russel you scumbag you are whats wrong with the world this has nothing to do with any semtic anything and arabs are semitic people too to you moron. There are more people who are against this sick murder and who don't think like you in the US than do think like you and we will push you out. How you try to change the subject on this and dodge the responsibility shows you are empty in the humanity department. A void. A zombie.
I doubt the US will do
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 13:59 — GT66 (not verified)I doubt the US will do anything about this. The US government doesn't have the cajones to take Israel to task for murdering US citizens. Of course, ever since Bush, it seems the governmental culture in the US is that killing people is a far more expedient way of sweeping headaches under the carpet. If the US government can assassinate it's own citizens, what does it care if other nations do it?
No no, the US hasn't done
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 14:41 — Anonymous (not verified)No no, the US hasn't done anything. Things were clear in May when this happened. Imagine an American cruise ship boarded by Iranian goons, who then executed an American. The press would have been calling for round the clock airstrikes with most liberal writers agreeing with the MIC hawks demand for an immediate land invasion to protect Isreal and America, in that order.
Hats off to truthout for
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 15:54 — havai (not verified)Hats off to truthout for running this exclusively (and really living up to its name), and kudos to Gareth for having the "audacity" to dare to write the story that needs to be told.
Question: How many Israelis
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:02 — hp (not verified)Question: How many Israelis does it take to murder someone?
Answer: Twenty five. One to shoot him in the head and twenty four to scream anti-Semite at anyone who notices the body.
This should come as no
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:13 — morgan 1 (not verified)This should come as no surprise to anyone who follows the real news and how the Jews in Israel have become some sort of Nazi Fascist country committed to the genocide of everyone else--And are doing one hellva job on the Palestinians. Israel runs the WH and Foreign Policy in the ME. The also run the war machine. Rachel Corrie was another victim of these psychopaths and yet MSM is silent on her murder. This boy, her, are only two of hundreds murdered by Israel for "security" reasons. That BS is so deep you can't even see over it any longer. That also applies to the US who love to declare an enemy and then wage war legal or illegal.
Wow, people talking about
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:52 — Dr Dave (not verified)Wow, people talking about 'you and your kind. And 'go kill yourself' 'zionazis'. Oh the irony that Zionism only started because of the rapid antisemitism in Europe. Now why would a piece which is supposed to be unbiased use a word, execution style, that wasn't in the report. To incite anger and hatred. I am often against Israeli actions, but we don't know what happened on that ship. Were warning shots fired at the ship by a hilocopter? Maybe but they spec were not to shoot anyone, warning shots are standard military procedure. When the commandos boarded the ship they encountered violence. That is clear. The job of a military is to protect its citizens and themselves. If you are attacked you fight back.. it is still unclear how the Turks were killed. Were they shot at point blank and then fell? Maybe but if they were attacking soldiers then, unfortunately getting shot is a possibility. I would prefer Gaza not be in this predicament. They might not be if they did not support a government dedicated to the destruction of israel. But flotillas should not enter war zones. Go try to sail to the border of north and south Korea, or Iran and Iraq, and see what happens
OK Russell, I'll take an
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 16:52 — Greg Field (not verified)OK Russell, I'll take an open minded position. Please point out to me, and specify the facts, exactly how antisemitism plays into this? And while you're at it, what evidence is there that any occupants were Jihadists? Or do you just like to throw words around to support baseless views from the comfort of your living room chair? Meanwhile, it's a grave injustice and an insult to the principles of this country that we turn a blind eye to the behavior of Israel's military, who while under the umbrella of de facto US approval, continue to act like thugs with impugnity. And Russell, I imagine that if we were to criticize our soldiers behavior at Abu Graib you find something else to call us, "unpatriotic and unamerican" I suppose. Or, better yet, if the soldiers who committed those deeds happened to be Jewish, whoopee, you get to use your favorite phrase once again.
Unfortunately I am not
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:14 — Dr. Bill Bushing (not verified)Unfortunately I am not surprised, but I am greatly disappointed that my own government and its spokespeople, the corporate media, have failed to offer this story objectively to their readers.
I have no ill feeling towards Jews, and feel Israel is in a difficult position with respect to its national right to exist and defend itself. However, actions like this and those on the West Bank leave a bad taste in my mouth.
Israel is the perennial
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:24 — David Timm (not verified)Israel is the perennial victim that, apparently, learned no sensitivity and compassion from its people's own experiences in Europe - ALL of Europe save Denmark - in WWII and before. These execution-style slayings and their coverup are no surprise when coming from a country that authorized the bombed a clearly marked American Naval vessel, i.e., the USS Liberty, and whose aircraft strafed our life boats.
These are also the people who provided the Bush Administration with "watertight" evidence linking Iraq with Al Qaida and terrorist training camps in Iraq.
And now evidence is seeping out that Iran, Israel's beta noir in the Middle East, is developing WMD's too . . . and that we ought to attack Iran "before it's too late."
Yeah. Sure. Need we ask who they are in our government who are protecting these SOB's?
The Jews always claimed to
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:28 — Anonymous (not verified)The Jews always claimed to be god's chosen and I've wondered chosen for what until now. Israel is gods assassination squad.
Dr. Dave is entitled to his
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 17:50 — David Timm (not verified)Dr. Dave is entitled to his own opinions, but NOT to his own facts. Did he not read the basic article?
When skin around a death wound is death wound is tattooed with unburnt gunpowder, the shot has a 99% probability of being deliberate. When five such wounds turn up on five people . . .. well, since you are a Doctor, Sir, YOU figure the odds of these wounds to the heads being coincidentally similar.
Further, if you know anything at all about military raids of this sort, you KNOW that these commandos were a rough lot and were my more than capable of defending themselves against an attack by an unarmed nineteen year old kid.
Israel has chosen to become
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 18:17 — Anonymous (not verified)Israel has chosen to become a rogue nation. The US is wrong, and stupid, to treat their current government with any kind of respect.
The murderers should be tried before the International Criminal Court for their crimes.
I am not antisemitic and I have cousins and friends to prove it. People of integrity and decency world-wide need to stand up against the real enemies: supra-national corporate fascism funding munitions, hatred and warfare.
These were IDF hits. The
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 21:04 — FRTothus (not verified)These were IDF hits. The IDF had laminated booklets showing all aboard, with those targeted for execution noted. You can see it in the film for a few seconds after the passengers searched one of the subdued terror-squad hit-men.
Is there no outrage that will not be defended by fascist hiding behind some alleged right to defend themselves? If such actions of Israel are defense, then they do not have the right of self-defense. Israeli policy DEMANDS that Israel is always perceived as the victim, and it serves power interests that Israel always be seen as under siege.
Nazis wearing yarlmulkes.
Picking on a youth and an
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 23:22 — JadeQueen (not verified)Picking on a youth and an elder with no substantive means to defend themselves, with so many witnesses, indicates a lack of rationality within the Israeli government. This is thinking similar to that of the despot of North Korea. This cannot be sustained. Israel is in for boycotts and divestment similar to that which occurred against South Africa. I hope there can be some solidarity with the people of Israel who have bravely resisted this sort of government behavior. I know there are many. I think of the air force pilots who refused to fly bombing sorties ordered by the government and of the young refuseniks held in solitary confinement.
Lets not forget this boat
Mon, 09/27/2010 - 23:56 — AH_Melb (not verified)Lets not forget this boat was unarmed and in international waters.
So where does the alleged threat come from??
This was nothing more thangovernment sponsered piracy.
Those who are complaining
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 01:00 — Mondoweiss Avi (not verified)Those who are complaining about the inclusion of the word "Executed" in the title have clearly not read the article itself.
Page 38, Section 170 clearly reads: "Execution".
So the editor changed the headline to "executed" to better fit grammatically. Well, whoop ti doo.
Obama and the legistative
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 01:29 — Anonymous (not verified)Obama and the legistative rulers of the United States of America are ALL on Israel's payroll. Absolutely nothing will be done - least of all, no one will go to jail. Now this was an all-out undiputable execution. The jew soldiers wanted to make extra special sure this man was dead. Contrast this by a woman who was kidnapped (in Afghanistan no less), raped, tortured and held incommunicado and when she attempted to escape by grabbing a gun - but killed no one - she was just sentenced to 86 years in prison. 86 years. Wow. What a piece garbage the USA has become. Justice is a thing of the past. Obama is the most disappointing hypocrite of the age.
This article is not about
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 02:22 — Anonymous (not verified)This article is not about the criminal action, it is about the the supposed-to-be good guys.
This and other actions by the elected leadership that boggle the mind of those who understand the facts also serves to cause those who don't to keep their minds buried in the misery of their life, distracted by the transitory joys of their chosen entertainments or the sorrow of problems they care about to live an ever more detached life from the one that counts.
Why do they do it? Well one answer is that to talk about it or do otherwise would impede the success of the peace 'negotiations'. In a very short time, either before or after the end of (yet unending) current 'peace-round' Dogan will be forgotten, in the spirit of a substitute forgiveness. They're counting on it.
Boycott all israeli goods!
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 04:21 — Anonymous (not verified)Boycott all israeli goods!
Who did the Forensic
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 05:38 — Anonymous (not verified)Who did the Forensic investigation here, an independent lab or one associated with the anti-Israel campaign? Given the sponsors of this so-called investigation I'd say that the credibility of this report is even lower than if it said the opposite and came from an Israeli army lab. But some people are so eager to accept any anti-Israel claims that they will buy anything--ans some of you aren't even Antisemites, but given the comment "call them KHAZARS,SATAN SYNAGOGUE" some of you clearly are--and don't give us this shit about Arabs are Semites, their language is Semitic, but Antisemitism was a term coined for a supposedly racial prejudice against Jews and never had anything to do with Arabs.
When you observe that the
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 06:21 — Richard (not verified)When you observe that the Israel iboarding party clearly expected a peaceful group, since they were armed primarily with paintball guns, with pistols only as a primitive defensive backup, the rest of this drivel must have no accuracy nor legitimacy Such reports are tendentious lying efforts to provide the propaganda victory that the terrorist originators of the phony peace organization IHH intended. You fools support those forces which, if successful, will one day force you all to submit to their totalitarian will. As to the very obvious antisemites in the mix here, hate someone else for a change. I'm tired of being a member of a tiny percentage of the world's population who is always blamed for the stupidity and excesses of the majority who are themselves unwilling to accept their own brazen stupidity.
The UN is owned by a few power blocs. They lie repeatedly, deliberately, and almost universally when Israel is the intended victim. This is more bogus UN pap. The "Commission" had already announced their conclusion that Israel was "guilty" before the wounded Israeli soldiers had reached hospital. For people to believe such lies is for people to reveal their irraitonal biases, not FOR justice but AGAINST it.
Not that I support nor
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 09:06 — Anonymous (not verified)Not that I support nor excuse the murders, but folks seem to be missing that "roughly 10" israelis were disarmed and held by the passengers before being released. It would seem that the folks on the boat had some fighting ability. We'll probably never know (or believe) whether there were any "terrorists" on the boat. In any case, once overpowered, murdering the people was flat wrong.
Israel, the modern day
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 09:11 — Anonymous (not verified)Israel, the modern day Nazis, and the Palestinians, the modern day Jews. After all the only this missing is the Gas chambers (at least we are told they are missing) everything else they do is identical to the actions of Nazi Germany.
Some one just drop a bomb on the entire region and let the rest of us get on with our lives.
For those of you supporting
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 10:36 — Anonymous (not verified)For those of you supporting Israeli claims of "self defense" (or whatever), ask yourselves why they are still in possession of cameras, videos and laptops taken from those on the Mavi Marmara. Images on these devices would likely shed some truth on the situation. Or are the Israelis trying to hide something?
It is a shame that the kid
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 11:20 — Tom Dee (not verified)It is a shame that the kid was murdered. In 1967 we lost 34 killed and 176 seriously wounded in international waters when Israel decided that they make the rules. I think the world should accept the Israel Government decisions and then allow Israel to be Israel. My view is I will never purchase an item which would benefit bad conduct so i go out of my way to avoid products manufactured in Israel. I also vote against any elected official who prostitutes themself for aipac contributions.
I think it is wonderful that Israel exists. I would deport many of our elected officials to Israel a nation that they have clearly placed above the USA.
One can see the
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 11:38 — ant-zionist (not verified)One can see the zionists/nazis pile up making comments on this page as everywhere else where the criminal state of so called Israel is discussed. Nobody cares what sick fanatic zionists have to say, their brutality is what counts. Zionism=nazism.
Ho-Hum. So Israel has
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 13:08 — BobM (not verified)Ho-Hum. So Israel has murdered another Ho-Hum. Just another set of killings by the Israelis. American people and our government doesn't do anything about it. nothing about it. This has been US policy going back at least to the attack on the USS Liberty back in the early days -- the fighting in '67?
I think that the US should cut ALL foreign and military aid to Israel until they get out of the West Bank and Gaza and return all Palestinian people currently held in Israeli jails.
This will never happen, but one can at least wish for justice.
BobM
This is just wrong. Not a
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 13:57 — Anonymous (not verified)This is just wrong. Not a single zionist attacking soldier ever cam close to injuries. The UN report confirmes video images taken on board of Mvi Marmara during the attack. On the other hand the zionists produces videos and images which have been proven fakes.
Outrageous! The lack of
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 13:59 — samd11 (not verified)Outrageous! The lack of response from American and Canadian governments is truly indicative of their pro-Israeli agendas. Yet they continue the pretense of wanting to broker peace between the Palestinians and criminal Israeli government. I also know that there are some Israelis who are equally appalled by the representatives of their country. However, they feel as hopeless and as outnumbered these days as we do. Fascism has no place for peace and justice, nor it seems does Canada and the U.S. Draw your own conclusions.
We often hear the phrase
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 14:15 — jeff.davis (not verified)We often hear the phrase "Israel's right to exist" and along with it, "Israel's right to self-defense." Notwithstanding the false legitimacy given these concepts by decades of repetition, there is truth,... and here it is: a factual, truth-based, ethics-based point of view.
In 1917, the British Imperial elite and the World Zionist Organization colluded in a criminal conspiracy to steal Palestine from the 95% Arab population who had lived there for 70 generations, and to give it to the Jews/Zionists. That's ***STEAL***, as in take what doesn't belong to you. This "plan" was a crime then, as it is a crime now. A crime is still a crime, despite control and censorship of the media. A crime is still a crime despite 90 years of impunity from prosecution or 90 years of propaganda. NO AMOUNT OF TIME CAN CHANGE A LIE INTO THE TRUTH; NO AMOUNT TIME CAN CONVERT A CRIME INTO A LEGAL ACT.
The Zionist entity called Israel is nothing less than a geopolitical crime-in-progress. This is reality.
So when next you hear about Israel's "right to exist", consider: what crime has a "right to exist"?, what criminal enterprise has a "right to exist"? Add to that: what criminal has a "right to self-defense"? What criminal has the right to commit violence in the furtherance of a crime? What criminal has the right to fight back against the lawful authority that arrives to halt the crime and arrest the criminals?
Israel, the Zionists, their enablers, and their supporters are criminals: thieves and murderers on a global scale. They have no "right to exist" (as criminals) and they have no "right to self-defense" as they commit their crimes.
But they do have rights. They have the right to surrender to a competent authority, and not suffer summary execution. The right to a fair trial. If found guilty, the right to a proportionate penalty. And once the offending parties have "done their time", the right to rejoin society and resume a peaceful cooperative existence.
This is the same unit,
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 14:26 — Gershom Gale (not verified)This is the same unit, possibly the same soldiers, that took over the Karin A vessel, which had TONS of sophisticated weaponry, and numerous trained enemy combatants, in less than 2 minutes.
As unpopular as what I'm about to say will certainly be, I wouldn't put it past the jihadists on board to deliberately execute an innocent boy, just so they could blame the "heartless" Israelis.
If you find this offensive or impossible to contemplate, you have no understanding of the nature of the enemy we are all facing.
The whole story doesn't add up, period.
Thank you Dr Bill for
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 15:58 — FR Tothus (not verified)Thank you Dr Bill for showing us how little intelligence it takes to achieve a doctorate (and please tell us it isn't in medicine), and honorable mention to Richard at 11:21 for showing us how truly ignorant, ugly, and callous some Americans can be.
"I wouldn't put it past the
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 16:28 — Dan (not verified)"I wouldn't put it past the jihadists on board to deliberately execute an innocent boy, just so they could blame the "heartless" Israelis.'
I agree. And i wouldnt' put it past Zionists to fake a holocaust by having a man with Jewish genes come to power, kill millions of poles and gypsies, pass the bodies off as Jews, and then steal a piece of land as 'pay'.
From mainstream media I only
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 16:44 — Anonymous (not verified)From mainstream media I only read and hear killings….k…. and more K…..from the state of Israel. As well as its contempt for the United Nations resolutions, international laws and the invasion of other countries. Is mainstream media - normally favoring this nation- biased? Are they reporting only the negative actions of this country? Or does this country only generate negative information? Is there anything good to report?
No more welfare for Israel.
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 17:58 — righteous indignation (not verified)No more welfare for Israel.
Besides all the human rights violations, they do in fact have weapons of mass destruction.
A preemptive strike on Israel is in the best interest of the USA. Just like Iraq.
Iran and North Korea hasn't the weapons of mass destruction yet. So Israel should have higher priority.
Nuke them until they glow.
We recently learned the US
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 18:41 — overdoneputaforkinit (not verified)We recently learned the US government has an assassination kill list for American citizens, and apparently our government accepts that Israel may assassinate US citizens.
My.....we have a lot of pots
Tue, 09/28/2010 - 21:27 — Anonymous (not verified)My.....we have a lot of pots calling the kettle black and much hateful banter on this topic. A 19 year old lost his life with a bullet delivered at point blank range. Do we need to define what does and does not constitute an "execution"? Really?!
Is the mainstream media
Wed, 09/29/2010 - 09:22 — gershom gale (not verified)Is the mainstream media biased?! Hello! What planet have YOU been living on? Of COURSE the mainstream media are biased... in thrall both to suicidal political correctness and the Arab lobby.
So comes today Senator
Wed, 09/29/2010 - 16:44 — Anonymous (not verified)So comes today Senator Lieberman of Connecticut to tell us how to deal with Iran. Can it be true that nuclear megatons delivered to Iran will have no fallout in Israel? None in any other country?
Thou fool. Thou fool.
the "arab" lobby? what
Wed, 09/29/2010 - 20:32 — Anonymous (not verified)the "arab" lobby? what alternate bizarro-world are you living in? try the israel lobby AIPAC, that's who they're in thrall to -- jeez, that's not even funny
Oh, of COURSE there is no
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 05:16 — gershom gale (not verified)Oh, of COURSE there is no such thing as an Arab lobby. 1.4 billions Arabs, with a zillion petro dollars and a murderous 1,400-year long jihad against the rest of the world wouldn't dream of "buying" US legislators or media.
And of COURSE my mother, who lost 17 family members to the Nazis suffered during an invented Holocaust.
WAKE UP! The world is not the rational, fair place you seem to think it is.
Are we in the US equal to
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 09:27 — Anonymous (not verified)Are we in the US equal to zionist occupiers? the Louisiana Purchase was a land transfer without regard for the people who already occupied. what about peace loving Canada? Why does Israel invoke so much anger and hate for coming into existence, and continuing to fight for that existence? The US is building a wall on the southern boarder, but continues to exploit our southern neighbors. I'm not supportive of any of this, just saying that Israel seems to generate an inordinate amount of hostility for the same behavior of other nations. Why the difference?
The US Administration has no
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 18:32 — Julius (not verified)The US Administration has no regard for individual citizens. Only those that could feed the agenda. And anything that would bring into question the US Prostitution to Israel, and the imagined influence and benefit the affair with Israel brings to the US, will be snuffed out....just as citizens of this country have been. And it started with the Truman Administration.
For those who are inclined to delve into history, please review how many "suicides" took place among State Department officials in the late 40's and into the 50's.
Why the "difference?"
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 18:35 — Anonymous (not verified)Why the "difference?" Because the US is funding crime.
This article makes Israel
Thu, 09/30/2010 - 22:32 — Anonymous (not verified)This article makes Israel look bad. So it means just one thing, Truthout is anti-Semitic.
"Israeli forces carried out
Fri, 10/01/2010 - 09:54 — Mark Fey (not verified)"Israeli forces carried out extralegal, arbitrary and summary executions prohibited by international human rights law, ..."
Quote from the U.N. report
The above posts are confusing. Even to the point of taking issue with the lack of editorial precision regarding the use of the word executed. The word is a legal one and its meaning is disputed by the parties. And thus, it is used properly.
To maintain that the past tense of the word execute does not appear is disingenuous, and can only be an attempt to obfuscate this issue.
The US voted AGAINST the
Fri, 10/01/2010 - 10:26 — RayMD (not verified)The US voted AGAINST the report.
Someone posted that the US hasn't done anything....
er,... well, not exactly nothing.
They actively OPPOSED this report and voted against it.
--No HOPE, No CHANGE
This was a US citizen! MURDERED by ISRAELI commandos.
Anyone recall the US LIBERTY in 1967?
Extreme disgust is putting it mildly.
We Want the truth to be made
Fri, 10/01/2010 - 12:42 — Hubee (not verified)We Want the truth to be made public, and Obama to sue such a crime of a US citizen .
The Carter's words are so true when he mentions in his latest book that no progress has been made since he has left the White House; i would even add that dead bodies have been piled up since 1981, and that is even a regression.
It's time the US administration decides of financial and economic sanctions to force Israel to respect the international law.
The criminal comedy must stop.
The media silence on this is
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 06:00 — Will A. (not verified)The media silence on this is deafening.
Youtube postings from TYT and RealNews:-
www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-A1PYgzMv0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlOmyVdoBGE
@erich von freemason - You
Sat, 10/02/2010 - 21:12 — Debunker (not verified)@erich von freemason - You critiqued this article and asked the editors to be more diligent and cited the specific use of the "executed" saying that it appears nowhere in the UN document. My question to you is why would you twist the the spirit of truth when we're discussing an American life? Yes, in fact the document uses a derivative of the word: "The circumstances of the killing of at least six of the passengers were in a manner consistent with an extra-legal, arbitrary and summary execution." The truth is the truth, and as defenders of liberty and justice Americans should seek the fullest disclosure for what happened on that day.
Thanks, debunker, for
Sun, 10/03/2010 - 16:02 — Jeff Kaye (not verified)Thanks, debunker, for pointing out EVF's dishonest comment. Elsewhere, the report also accuses the Israelis of "wilful killing" and torture (p. 53).
It strikes me as somewhat
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 01:51 — Me (not verified)It strikes me as somewhat unbalanced that the 112 “eyewitnesses” where all virulently anti-Israel activists, which might somewhat bias their opinion. The Shayetet 13 personnel fast roped onto the ship, where attacked with metal bars and other improvised implements, and responded accordingly. I personally know a few members of Shayetet 13, and they are all professional soldiers of the highest caliber. The rest is all hyperbole, and is to be expected from the U.N.
anyone who thinks that
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 10:22 — Liam H (not verified)anyone who thinks that israel actually wants a
peaceful dialogue about anything is sadly
missing the point. 1967 was 43 years ago and
nothing peaceful has happened since nor will
it until the US cuts the purse strings. endless
delay and incremental encroachment is a very effective strategy. lest I be accused
of being anti-semitic ( such a lame and worn out response ) let me say that what I am is anti-bullshit.
Unbelievable the vitriol
Tue, 10/05/2010 - 13:14 — Frances in California (not verified)Unbelievable the vitriol flowing all over this page . . . none of you who insist that the commandos can do no wrong were there. All you seem to do is fling charges of anti-Semitism at those who question state-sanctioned murder and piracy. More and more such charges - especially that come from the dispassionate and the vicious - are a smokescreen, and most disingenuous because there IS anti-Semitism in the world today and you all are NOT the ones enduring it.
As a woman, born and raised
Fri, 10/08/2010 - 10:38 — Freed Woman (not verified)As a woman, born and raised in a Muslim home and reared on the Koran and it's repressive worldview, particularly to women, but who lives in the 21st century in the west , I am fearful of the dangers that jihad and Koranic doctrine is bringing to the world and western civilization. Anyone posting apologies for Islam and/or Islamic states is
expressing either cowardice, self-delusion, accepting the multicultural mush dished out by the media, psychosis, or some form of dhimmitude.
Mavi Marmara raid was just
Sat, 10/09/2010 - 13:33 — Fnd Ctn (not verified)Mavi Marmara raid was just an act of piracy of Israel.If you hava just little conscience, you must blame such a bloody murder of Furkan Dogan and other murdered passengers.In the report everything was revealed objectively.Furkan was just filming with his camera on top deck of ship.He did not involve in any of fight with Israeli commandos.Morever, according to report,Furkan and other passengers were executed even though they were seriously wounded and they were tortured by Israeli commandos.That is, they were killed deliberately.
They stole laptops and cameras of passengers and during the raid they used jammers.Because on the ship there were a lot of press crew from all over the world. We all understand that they tried to hide their brutality.Unfortunately, they got successful..They misleaded the world as if they were sufferers showing 'their videos' over and over..But everything is clear enough.Israel killed 9 people brutally.They did not seek any peaceful ways instead of murdering people.Mavi Marmara was not a 'Navy' ship.Their slogan was 'Palestine our route, humanitarian aid our load'.
US citizen Furkan Dogan was not supported by US goverment.What is the reason? Is it because he is the descendant of a Turkish family?I just can't understand such a racism..
One almost weeps at the lost
Mon, 10/18/2010 - 22:30 — hogorina (not verified)One almost weeps at the lost of a mother's child in such of a dreadful situation. Thanks to TRUTH, the cat is out of the bag. When our service personnel are deliberately put into Harm's way via political whoredom's influence within the State Department, then these crimes will always emerge, and then to be shuffled under the rug. A young man's slaughter in the service of his country.
Greater anger comes forward regarding an attack on the USS Liberty in 1967. The DOG in office was LBJ. Today, the many killed and injured received no redress, in that Johnson failed to aid an American ship, while being attacked by alien fighter planes. This was a masterful crime, just as the young man in question has received no redress for his parents!
It's murder, pure and
Sun, 01/23/2011 - 16:22 — Thirdeye (not verified)It's murder, pure and simple. Israel cannot continue to get away with this.
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