US, Karzai Clash on Unconditional Talks With Taliban

by: Gareth Porter  |  Inter Press Service

Kabul - On the surface, it would seem unlikely that Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who presides over a politically feeble government and is highly dependent on the U.S. military presence and economic assistance, would defy the United States on the issue of peace negotiations with the leadership of the Taliban insurgency.

But a long-simmering conflict between Karzai and key officials of the Barack Obama administration over that issue came to a head at last week's London Conference, when the Afghan president refused to heed U.S. signals to back off his proposal to invite the Taliban leaders to participate in a nationwide peace conference.

The peace negotiations issue is imbedded in a deeper conflict over U.S. war strategy, which has provoked broad anger and increasing suspicions of U.S. motives among Afghans, including Karzai himself.

The current source of tension is Karzai's proposal, first made last November, to invite Taliban leaders - including Mullah Omar - to a national "Loya Jirga" or "Grand Council" meeting aimed at achieving a peace agreement.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton responded by pressing Karzai to demand far-reaching concessions from the Taliban in advance of the meeting. Clinton's conditions on Taliban participation included renunciation of al Qaeda and of violence and acceptance of the Afghan constitution, conditions that would make it impossible for leaders of the insurgency to agree if they are interpreted literally.

On Nov. 23, Clinton said the United States had "urged caution and real standards that are expected to be met by anyone who is engaged in these conversations, so that whatever process there is can actually further the stability and peace of Afghanistan, not undermine it."

Instead, Karzai publicly asked the United States to join in talks with the Taliban. Following the issuance of a statement by Mullah Omar on Nov. 25 that implied the Taliban would negotiate if they did not have to give up their demand for withdrawal of foreign troops, Karzai said there was an "urgent need" for negotiations with the Taliban.

In the face of what he knew was U.S. hostility to the idea, Karzai announced on Dec. 3, "Personally, I would definitely talk to Mullah Omar. Whatever it takes to bring peace to Afghanistan I, as Afghan president, will do it."

But he added, "I am also aware that it cannot be done by me alone without the backing of the international community." That is the phrase Karzai uses to refer to the United States and its NATO allies.

A few days later, Karzai appeared to give way to U.S. pressure against unconditional talks. He said he wanted to negotiate with Mullah Omar, "provided he renounces violence, provided all connections to al Qaeda and to terrorist networks are cut off and denounced and renounced."

But Karzai announced at the London Conference that he would invite the leadership of the Taliban to a Loya Jirga without specifying that they would have to meet specific conditions in advance of the meeting.

The Obama administration again reacted with scarcely-disguised disapproval. The State Department spokesman repeated the U.S. line that "anyone who wants to reconcile and play a more constructive role in Afghanistan's future must accept the constitution, renounce violence and publicly break with extremist groups such as al Qaeda."

Clinton pointedly avoided endorsing the invitation and did not use the word "reconciliation", which is the term in U.S. counterinsurgency doctrine reserved for negotiations with insurgent leaders. Those conditions for participation in negotiations would represent demands for concessions by the Taliban on all key issues before negotiations even begin.

Karzai showed no signs of turning back from his intention to meet with the Taliban without conditions. Two days after the London Conference, Karzai announced that he would convene the peace conference in less than six weeks.

And in an implicit response to U.S. demands for conditions on participation in negotiations, Karzai called on the Taliban not to pose the condition that U.S. troops must be removed before negotiations could begin.

In fact, a statement by Mullah Omar on Nov. 25 did not say foreign troops had to be withdrawn before peace talks could begin, but only that the Taliban would not participate in "negotiations which prolongs and legitimises the invader's military presence..."

Significantly, the Taliban spokesman did not dismiss Karzai's invitation out of hand, as might have been expected, but announced that the Taliban would make a decision "soon" on attending the conference.

The growing divergence of U.S. and Karzai's policy toward the Taliban appears to be imbedded in a wider clash over U.S. war policy.

Karzai has not been as enthusiastic as the Obama administration about the prospects for weakening the Taliban by offering economic incentives for individual commanders and troops to abandon the insurgency, which he has viewed as competing with his own emphasis on reaching a peace agreement with the Taliban leadership.

In an interview with al-Jazeera in early January, Karzai said he would not request more money to reintegrate individual Taliban fighters into the government side.

Instead, Karzai said he would seek to constrain U.S. military forces in the country. "We're going to ask the international community to end nighttime raids on Afghan homes," he said, "to stop arresting Afghans, to reduce and eliminate civilian casualties. We're going to ask them not to have Afghan prisoners."

Karzai's public demands for an end to U.S. night raids on homes and continued arrests and detentions aligns his position with that of Taliban officials who have said those would be among the demands they would raise in peace talks.

Karzai's commitment to a peace accord with the Taliban has been influenced by his own deep suspicions of U.S. motives in Afghanistan, according to leading Afghan political analyst Haroun Mir, a former aide to the Northern Alliance commander Ahmed Shah Massoud, who was killed by al Qaeda in September 2001.

In an interview with IPS, Mir said he believes Karzai's opposition to U.S. strategy was intensified by the Obama administration's openly declared hostility toward him in early 2009, and that Karzai has now embraced a conspiracy theory popular in Afghanistan, that the United States has ulterior motives in its military intervention in the country.

Mir said he attended a meeting with Karzai and about 30 Afghan political analysts several weeks ago in which the president presented his conspiracy theory about the U.S. presence to his guests.

"He thinks the United States is here not to fight the Taliban but for something else," Mir said, and "wants to convince everybody of this."

In November 2008, Karzai outraged the George W. Bush administration by offering a guarantee of the safety of Mullah Omar if he agreed to attend peace negotiations in Kabul. The State Department spokesman ridiculed the idea, saying, "One can't imagine" that there would be "any safe passage with respect to U.S. forces."

Karzai then defiantly posed the choice for "the international community" in a news conference as being "remove me or leave if they disagree."

Karzai has also proposed taking the names of Taliban leaders off the United Nations "black list" in order to allow Taliban officials to travel abroad for the purpose of negotiations.

Waheed Omer, a spokesman for Karzai, said in January that Karzai would "probably" ask the United Nations to take Mullah Omar's name off the "black list" of Taliban and former Taliban leaders.

At the London Conference, Karzai requested only that five ex-Taliban figures be taken off the list, but he indicated that he would ask for more deletions in the future.

The U.S. efforts to discourage Karzai from entering into talks with the Taliban should not be taken as evidence of opposition to such negotiations in the future, according to an official of the International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) in Kabul. The Obama administration appears to want to postpone peace talks until mid-2011 - after it has sought to weaken the Taliban by adding 30,000 more troops.

Gareth Porter is an investigative historian and journalist specialising in U.S. national security policy. The paperback edition of his latest book, "Perils of Dominance: Imbalance of Power and the Road to War in Vietnam", was published in 2006.

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Of COURSE the US is there

Of COURSE the US is there for other reasons: sweetheart deals on pipeline leases to benefit the corporate masters of our country. This whole "fight them over there so we don't have to fight them here" line is BS. If we hadn't CREATED them in the first place, armed them, brainwashed them turning this into a religious cause, fed them intelligence and arms... all when they were doing our bidding by fighting the Soviet occupation, then completely abandoning the country, we wouldn't have to fight them anywhere!



"embraced a conspiracy

"embraced a conspiracy theory popular in Afghanistan,that the United States has ulterior motives in its military intervention in the country."

And, as a former employee of UNOCAL & pipeline negotiator on their behalf to the Taliban, Karzai would certainly be in a position to know...

I also note with a frown, this author's misuse of the euphemism "military intervention" in place of the more specific, down-and-dirty definitive term, "invasion". I also object to Mr. Porter's branding of an idea that contradicts the official line, that suggests that there might be a COMMERCIAL aspect to the invasion, as a "conspiracy theory popular in Afghanistan" & presumably nowhere else.
Without exploring the basis of this theory & why it is so popular & why the puppet-president (suddenly?) subscribes to it, this article is in my opinion, a sophisticated & informative piece of propaganda.
Such an exploration might also have shed a little more light on the main subject of the article which was the growing rift between Karzai & the U.S. It also helps build a justification, to set the stage, as it were, for Karzai's future elimination.... consorting with terrorists, unreliable, corrupt, etc.

Good article tho', Mr. Porter. Informative. I enjoyed it. Stimulated my mind. Keep up the excellent work.



We are the still powerful

We are the still powerful foreign interventionists,
no? Karzai is a flipping crook, no?
So depose the bastard and put in a jolly new
guy: Hi, I am your new president,
have a walnetto!



The Final Resolution:

The Final Resolution:
Taliban leaders will have a part in the AFG government.
A constant stream of US-Chinese money will flow into that government and into tribal leaders' pockets, to allow US permanent bases in AfPac.
Reduced US troop numbers will stop making civilian raids, and mostly protect the bases out of which the drones will fly to patrol the pipelines and mineral resource locations.
The US Corporations will get long term leases on the pipeline routes and mines, with the rights to defend them. Most of the military troops will be rotated to another country, as Blackwater and other mercenaries take on the defense contracts.
There will be a token international charade to "rebuild Afghanistan".
This will all happen within the next five years, and probably less than that.
Done deal.



Another final resolution

Another final resolution might include the liquidation of Diem..er Karzai, and the promotion of some strong-man/cut throat from the Opium sector.



Well done, 14:52. Right

Well done, 14:52. Right on.
That covers the pipeline from Turkmenistan thru' Afghanistan, roughly 1/2 the distance. But what about the other 1/2 that runs thru' Baluchistan to the sea. As more than 1/3 of Baluchistan is in Iran & they have a huge influence on what goes on in Greater Baluchistan & Iran does not favor the TAPS pipeline... I think that the entire Pakistan army would have to be moved from the Indian border, west to the Iranian border in order to secure the pipeline. I don't think the Pakistan govn't could handle another Baluchi uprising... they lost the last 3, leaving Baluchistan pretty darn autonomous. Like the N.W. Frontier Provinces, only nominally under Islamabad's control. Peace had been achieved by a live & let live doctrine. The U.S. forced Islamabad to break the accord in the Pashtun NWFP & I don't think that Islamabad wants a second war-front in the West. It's one thing to fight a war on Afghanistan's border & quite another to fight one on Iran's border. Iran can bite back. Talk about destabilization of the area!!! I can imagine a worst-case/best-case scenario where quite coincidentally both India & Iran attack Pakistan on the same day & U.S. special forces pop in to secure the nukes & keep the toys out of the hands of the irresponsible children... but that's just imagination, not a prediction. I knew about the pipeline plans before the war but didn't think it would work or that our leaders would be so stupid (or bought) as to actually do it. But they did, so I've been wrong before.

As I see it, the ultimate resolution would be: withdrawal of all foreign occupation forces in Afghanistan, a rapprochement with Iran & an agreement with Iran to use their existing pipelines (which the U.S. as a result of its vindictive policies against Iran, has heretofore refused to do) It's so much cheaper to build a spur connecting the Turkmenistan fields to the Iranian existing lines than to build an entire
(& that's not counting the cost of the splendid little war to build, secure & maintain it)
TAPS pipeline. The oil companies would jump on it in a heartbeat but for Washington's sanctions. And it keeps the oil out of Russian & Turkish hands which they say is a good thing.

Having lived, worked & traveled the entire area, speaking the local languages, for seven unbroken years, I can tell you that if you think the Kurds & Pashoon are tough fighters, wait 'til you mix it up with the Baluchis on their home turf. They consider themselves as 3 brother tribes from a common origin & if this be so, then Brother Baluch is the biggest & baddest. Now if you don't believe me you can grab your M-16, flack jacket, armored humvee, go over there & find out for your selves. I might remind you that it was a Baluch who a decade or so ago shot up a line of cars full of CIA employees on their way to work in Langley killing several....

Frankly 14:52, you're on the right track, I find the situation so insane & so volatile that I hesitate to guess how it will all turn out. I'd probably be wrong & I expect to be surprised.